Haha ok buddy, can’t wait to see you puzzling about why millennials hate game consoles or whatever when launch sales numbers are rightly in the shitter
Yeah, feels like the correct move here would be to hold off with the next generation, if you can’t get enough of a performance jump without increasing prices. Otherwise you’re just offering a premium edition.
You…
You think they care?
They want people streaming games to phones/TVs and paying by the hour.
Not subsidizing console sales anymore will make cloud gaming seem more attractive, and that’s where the most money is at
Looking forward to indie developers who actually want their games to sell optimizing them for older, more reasonably priced hardware.
Google couldn’t make cloud gaming work when the entire world was stuck inside with a sudden desire to play more video games. They were given an underhand toss for the best possible scenario to get cloud gaming off the ground, and it didn’t take. The math doesn’t work out.
Conspiracy theories are a trick by big Dumb to make people think less.
This sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Well, here I was thinking that Steam Machine had priced itself out of the market, but it sounds like it’s gonna end up having parity with PS6 anyhow
Next-gen consoles are rumored to be around a 5080 in terms of performance. With 32GB of unified ram, $1000 would be a good deal for that level of performance. If Microsoft added the ability to run windows on it, that would be a pretty compelling package.
Hopefully things will get better, but with ram prices where they are the steam machine would probably need to be $900 if it launched today without being subsidized by valve and is around the performance of a base PS5.
I hate to say it but consoles may be the better deal next-gen.
You speak with an awful lot of authority for someone who is just making stuff up.
I thought nobody knows the specs for it yet?
These are the rumored specs according to moore’s law is dead. Of course things could change or he could have gotten misinformation.
MLID has <50% accuracy IIRC, so everything to be taken with a spoonful of salt. Not saying it’s definitely wrong, of course. He’s gotten things right sometimes too.
Okay, I guess it’s PC then.
Stares at RAM and GPU prices
laughs in old ebay acquisitions and retro games
You’re sitting on a gold mine - first DDR6/HBM, then DDR5, then DDR4 got expensive. If trends continue, somewhere around 2028 you’ll be able to sell that desoldered 128KB of SNES RAM for a fortune.
Hoping DDR3 prices go up so I can finally sell the 128 GB of RAM I have been saving “just in case” lol
Hoping you don’t ever have to think about DDR3.
DDR6
Huh?
Memory that is embedded in GPUs.
They don’t use DDR at all, the datacenter ones use HBM (I think 3 or 4 now) and normal GPUs use GDDR7 or 6/X but GDDR is not the same as DDR and we could even have GDDR8 before DDR6.
You’re technically correct. The best kind of correct. Thanks.
Don’t forget storage prices now too and not just NVMe drives. I can’t wait for this AI hoarding to finally fucking crash. It’s like the mining shit we had with GPUs in steroids. Ugh.
This is becoming my default position for so many things now it’s ridiculous.
Just gonna throw this out there; If you’ve never had a Nintendo Wii, I’d genuinely recommend picking one up and modding it.
My last console was a PS3, after that I went exclusively PC since every newer console seemed far too expensive for the very few exclusives that interested me, and they began to charge a monthly fee to play games online. The only console I didn’t have from that generation was the Wii, as I’d always written it off as a gimmick. But after taking a closer look at its library, it’s surprisingly packed with good titles, and the motion controls are a pretty unique way to interact with games.
I picked one up a few months ago off ebay, and even for a lot that included a Wii balance board, it was less than $80. Modding it was extremely easy, and after it was done, I was amazed to find that it has access to a surprisingly polished online homebrew store full of emulators and cool little homebrew games that download and install with a single click.
That means the console has access to:
- The entire Wii library (Including unique modern light-gun style games, like Deadspace: Extraction, plus Wii fit with the balance board, which is actually really fun)
- The entire gamecube library with the Nintendont emulator (best paired with either a gamecube controller or the Wii Classic controller)
- Pretty much every retro console such as SNES, Genesis, GB, GBC, GBA, etc with emulators
- The highlights of the N64 and NeoGeo catalog thanks to being ported to the Virtual Console (the Wii shop is dead, so you’ll need to sail to get those).
- You can even still play online in Mario Kart thanks to modders, and it’s still active!
All for less than $100. It’s an absolute gem of a console, especially when paired with sailing the high seas (which is really easy since the Wii has an SD card slot, so you can slam it full of stuff), and has quickly become my favorite of all time. I sold every other console I’ve ever owned, but I suspect I’ll be keeping the Wii for the foreseeable future due to its versatility and ease of use (especially for retro games, no messing around with RetroArch’s horrible interface!)
As somebody who manages a piece of software often used in wii modding: ye, do it! Mod a wii :p
But seriously, the ps3/wii/x360 era were the last gen where the hardware design was rather simple and easy to understand, making it fun to play with and learn. The wiiu ended up with a bootrom making it harder and way more complex to run your own stuff on it ( outside of wii-mode and non-system menu stuff ). Then the switch was a whole new level (and we got lucky there with the bootrom exploit).
Switch added secure bootrom, executable validation, firmware blobs, no-execute memory flags, dedicated crypto hardware in cpu with it’s own firmware, more secure mmu mapping, …
Even if you had raw access you still needed to implement some stuff just get hardware even going.Xbox Series S is also great for modding too. Wii U is nice for modding too IMO.
Well this may be the final push for me to stop getting new consoles and fully switch to my pc and steamdeck with a little bit of switch on the side
Me, except at this point my PC will be a Steam Machine with Steam Deck, and Switch 2 on the side.
My Xbox One was not worth $500 at all, ever during its lifespan. My Series X is solely a 360 Pro. I think I’m done with these. How the mighty have fallen.
I guess the bigger question that comes from this, is do I go with a Steamdeck or with a Legion 2?
A follow up would be, do I wait for the Steamdeck 2
If you’re looking into that, it might be worth considering some of the Android portable like the AYN Thor.
While they are usually focused on console emulation, on the more powerful units you can run older windows titles on them via emulation as well as any native android stuff you feel like running. The battery life of anything ARM beats the hell out of anything x86. There are also form factors available worlds better than the Legion or Steamdeck if you actually want something you can carry around in a pocket.
The aforementioned AYN Thor is about the size and form factor of a 3DS and retails for $250 for the cheapest model. So if you’re looking for something to tide you over until you can get a full gaming PC/Gabecube/Steamdeck 2, it might be better “half measure” than a Legion or Steamdeck.
Legion for the mouse integration alone, IMO.
I guess it’s finally time to tackle my backlog.
Personally I don’t need better graphics, PS4/PS5 level is already great. Developers can do pretty much everything they can imagine.
I’m for cheaper, more accessible hardware.
Pc parts aren’t cheap either…
But it is possible to pick up a cheap used office PC off ebay and stick a used GPU in it, which would let someone play almost any game on the market for much less than a console.
$999 “is not impossible”
At that price, just buy or build a fucking computer already.
May as well give it 9999 HP , wasnt buying it anyway but would not even consider it at those prices.
I mean…those are not prices the market will pay so I guess rip console market?
We must be reaching a plateau in terms of generational leaps in between consoles. Though I love the PS5 it’s not a huge jump from PS4, just slightly better graphics and better frame rates. As things stand, I can’t see a need to upgrade for years. PS5 it’s only 6 years old. It’s easily got another 6, maybe 10 years in it.
I’ve been complaining that the consoles and graphical fidelity have been seeing diminishing returns since the PS3 / Xbox 360. At this point, we’re just pushing way more power for minimal improvements. It’s stupid.
Yeah for sure, “better” from here on out will have to involve better features.
It’s amazing to see what they squeezed out of the PS3 and Xbox 360 towards the end of their life compared to the launch titles. It feels like there was not much of an improvement over the life span of the PS4. The PS5 has ray tracing, but apart from that it doesn’t look much different from the PS4. I suppose framerates are higher now.
I had the same opinion, but it changed after playing Doom (2016, Xbox One) and Doom Eternal (2020, Xbox Series X) back to back. The difference was dramatic.
I still believe we are reaching a point where Moore’s law is hitting a fundamental limit, but only time will tell how things will pan out. My guess is that consoles will need to get bigger to get better.
I dunno, I actually thought Doom 2016 mostly looked better than Eternal. I didn’t like Eternal’s more cartoony bright color highlights everywhere. Admittedly though, it probably didn’t look great on the XBOne. probably like 720 or 900p.
The second video game crash…
Im hoping independent developers fill the void. Honestly they already are. Haven’t the last couple of big sellers been FAR from AAA?
