cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

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  • Glide@lemmy.ca
    134·
    28 days ago

    I trust whatever committee they have at the Olympics to make the judgement on this, but if our team is cheating, fuck those guys.

    Yes, there’s some redactionist arguments about how it “doesn’t actually impact the rock,” but fuck that. We have a codified rule that specifically says you can’t do it, and these athletes are playing at literally the highest level that exists. They know better and have had time to practice better. If they’re cheating at the Olympics, I hope it follows them forever.

    • k0e3@lemmy.ca
      3·
      27 days ago

      I automatically expect the Olympic Committee to be crooked.

      Also, as ashamed as I am about the Canadian team breaking the rules, I also feel bad that there’s a part of me that thinks, “at least it’s just friggin’ curling.”

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      26 days ago

      Everyone’s breaking the rules. If you think athletes are jot on something or have taken something to get there. I have a bridge to sell you.

  • t0fr@lemmy.ca
    912·
    28 days ago

    Not really a good look for us. Would rather our athletes not cheat on an international stage representing our country. Play by the rules or not at all. Thank you very much.

    • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
      491·
      28 days ago

      Getting caught with “you can fuck off” on a hit mic doesn’t help either. Last thing anyone wants is for Canada to gain a reputation of cheating, especially after the drone scandal with the Canadian womens soccer team at the Paris Olympics in '24.

      Ahead of the tournament, on 22 July, New Zealand players noticed a drone flying over their training session and reported this to local police.[2] Drone operating laws in France ban drones from being flown above people and ban recordings made by drones to be shared without the subjects’ consent. French police were already wary of drones in terms of security around the 2024 Summer Olympics.[1][3] Saint-Étienne police followed the drone and found and detained its operator, a member of the staff of the Canadian team. The New Zealand Olympic Committee (NZOC) then reported the incident to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) integrity unit, before making a public announcement the next day together with New Zealand Football, expressing their disappointment towards the Canadian team. The Canadian Olympic Committee (COC) then apologized to the NZOC and said they would review next steps with Canada Soccer and all the relevant governing bodies.[2][4]

      The drone operator, analyst Joseph Lombardi, admitted after his arrest that he had also filmed another New Zealand training session on 19 July,[5] a fact later made public by the COC.[1][3] Though Lombardi immediately said that the spying was “a personal initiative”, the police found a text message exchange on his phone with assistant coach Jasmine Mander that indicated Mander knew of the spying.[6]

      If you’re resorting to espionage please just accept that you suck and don’t do things that drag your nations reputation in the process.

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
        24·
        28 days ago

        Anyone involved in this should be fired and not allowed anywhere near amateur or professional sports teams.

        Flying drones to record trainings during the Olympics isn’t “a little bit cheating”, that shit should be smashed to hell

      • zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
        6·
        27 days ago

        especially against the New Zealand soccer team. There isn’t even a men’s pro league in the country let alone women’s.

      • Gathorall@lemmy.world
        45·
        28 days ago

        Every Canadian who is a cheat deserves a reputation as a cheat and should get it. Raise your people better.

    • Hozerkiller@lemmy.caEnglish
      71·
      27 days ago

      Cheating seems a bit harsh. It should have been a penalty, it’s a burned stone. This is like giving up a penalty shot in basketball or an offside in hockey, neither of which should get someone kicked out of the Olympics. The swearing is the actual issue, it’s unsportsmanlike and shameful.

      • t0fr@lemmy.ca
        11·
        27 days ago

        One instance should be a penalty.

        However, apparently this athlete is known to have done it repeatedly and got caught because the Swedish team prepared their own camera angle. Only one instance may have been caught, but it was caught because he already had a reputation for it.

    • BCsven@lemmy.ca
      21·
      28 days ago

      Its a snapshot, he could have released this handle and retracted his hand with his finger off to side of the tangent of the rock. Wed need frames before and after for better review

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      12·
      28 days ago

      disagree. it isn’t conclusive. it shows that his finger was very close to touching for a few frames. that’s it. “very close” is not over the line. his finger is just enough on the back side that it’s inconclusive.

      it’s a bit of a weird motion, sure, but watch a bunch of throws from various people and you’ll see some similar stuff.

      that said, adjust your delivery so you’re not in this position in the first place. and settle down, even if there’s an ongoing issue you’re annoyed about.

      I do find it funny that this is such a big deal but you can see people all over the place in this tournament dragging their finger(s) down the back of the handle at release, seemingly over the stone as well (yes I recognize that is a different motion that poking forward after being behind it)

  • Noah Snedden@aussie.zone
    14·
    28 days ago

    If anyone’s interested in the world curling statement, here. Basically, umpire decisions in the moment are final and cannot be changed from video evidence, the thrower may retouch the stone as many times as they want before the line, BUT they must release the stone from the handle. So a little bit dubious? But they can’t change it even with video evidence.

      • dgmib@lemmy.world
        5·
        28 days ago

        I think I read that the rules are a bit vague saying something like “release the handle”. And don’t clarify if that explicitly meant the handle is the last /only thing you can touch.

        The rules are clear that they can’t touch the stone after it starts to cross the hog line. Which I’ve seen a video of him still touching the granite when the stone has clearly started to cross the line and that’s unambiguously against the rules, regardless of if the touch influenced the stone’s movement.

        Edit: I just read the link on the comment above yours. They quote the exact rule in question, and clarify that their official interpretation is that it means touching the granite is against the rules.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      1·
      26 days ago

      I lose respect for any organization that isn’t willing to consider evidence other than what officials decide in the moment. It’s basically just saying, “we don’t really want to do a good job at part of our point for existing” plus a dash of ego being upset at being challenged. It’s like zero tolerance policies at schools punishing victims as much as or more than bullies, just pure arrogant laziness disguised as “just following the rule we made up (so that we wouldn’t have to think very hard about when we are wrong)”.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
    12·
    26 days ago

    I’m glad that Canadian guy throwing out the f-bombs apologized for it. I still think he was a dick but I can get over the lashing out if it comes with repentance.

  • ForeverComical@lemmy.ca
    11·
    27 days ago

    Read on the subject and it seems a bit overblown, social media helping. After the controversy they started being more vigilant and then they “caught” a british curler also double touching.

    That being said they need to adjust their release technique to make sure it doesn’t damage the reputation of Canadian curlers.

    Also video replay and challenges could be a good idea.

  • njm1314@lemmy.world
    81·
    28 days ago

    I believe they’ve been caught three times at minimum now, and for all I know more now by today. The men’s team was caught twice and the women’s team was got once.