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In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.
Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 rifle is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.
I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.
PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors and/or active hearing protection. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect. Suppressors might be out of reach for most but quality active and passive hearing protection is not.
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what is up with so many people having buckees profile pics?
Irony.
It could be just me. I’m on day 5 of a hellish production upgrade, so I’ve had nothing else to do but shitpost on Lemmy and watch Olympic coverage as I babysit this shitshow.
lol maybe, maybe I’ve just seen you around a lot on lemmy
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What if i wanted to combine my two favorite hobbies of guns and drones? How would I go about fusing them in some kind of way?
Synthetic black powder is fairly common and is great for all sorts of fireworks and such. Drone shows should really incorporate more powder.
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Funny you should make this suggestion. I’ve been having a grand time figuring out how to make drones, can confirm it’s great fun for the whole family.
Cops shouldn’t have assault rifles either, they’re not the military. I find the second amendment so fucking dumb. It’s to rise up against a tyrannical government. But since you have it, precisely now is the time to use it. Helloooow? Why don’t you use it? You have a tyrannical government full of pedophiles. All those decades full of innocent deaths, all so you can keep your precious second amendment, just in case you reach a point you are in now. Well, go ahaid then, prove all those deaths were worth it. Bunch of self-centered uneducated hypocrites.
Spoiler, the British cared more about Indians than this administration cares about its citizens.
Funny thing is, if an armed populace is utterly incapable of doing a single damn thing as the gun banners say they are, WHY do the authoritarians in charge of these powerful modern military still banning guns?
Same reason they only come out when surrounded by bulletproof glass or in sniper-controlled areas now. They don’t want to be individually targeted.
Now it’s interesting to imagine what would happen if hundreds of officials were individually targeted, but having a bunch of guns at your house ≠ that. Still the issue of targeted suppression exists, and would be highly effective.
If you burn down a neighborhood, if you shoot an RPG or a drone at a house, none of the guns inside matter, except they make it more lethal as you try to escape. They also make your house more unsafe for kids and yourself (statistically).
Arming yourself up defensively just doesn’t do much. If they want you dead, they’re gonna do it in a zero-casualty-for-them way. They can do that en masse, they can do that in rural or urban areas. They train for that 24/7. They love that.
Arming yourself offensively, well that’s something else. I don’t know if that’s what’s being suggested when this issue comes up though.
It’s problematic to say you’re arming up to actively hurt someone, even on Lemmy I believe they have rules against it. So you can only say I want to defend myself or try to imply through a wink or nudge.
What I’m tired of though is people thinking it’s all going to be lone gunmen or large formations of people fighting. This is a resistance movement, we should be thinking like the French did when the Nazis came.
Fascists understand threats. The possiblity of violence is enough to scare them before they gain too much power. Once they feel they’re not at risk or just their goons are, they’ll be happy crushing anything with pure violence
“Arm” yourselves with gas masks, hardhats, traffic cones (if holes for air at the top, duct tape them shut.
Who you gonna shoot? I’m serious. Stalin was a bankrobber. Haitians drove Napoleon’s army into the sea with machetes. The Black Panthers took several pigs off roll-call. What’s your plan, revolutionary?
Im not american but hopefully nobody. Their whole rationality for having guns everywhere all the time is that if everyone has a gun nobody needs a gun.
We, the rest of the world, think its a stupid idea, but if the government is literally killing people in the streets and declaring the murderers as heroes, its not looking so daft.
I believe that I can go to the store and purchase a sense of security. Once I own a gun, I can indulge in revolutionary fantasies that aren’t complicated by material conditions.
Safety is just another thing we’ve commoditized. No need to struggle against my own alienation or form coalition with my neighbors.
Not a stand up fight, there should be enough in a crowd that if they don’t feel safe trying to execute another person like they did Alex.
You all have guns, don’t see anyone using them but the popo? Way to stand against an aggressive state, eh!
Yeah, that whole second amendment thing turned out to be the joke we all thought. I’ve never known a nation to just roll over and take it as much as this bunch. They’re pathetic and their overlords obviously know it.
Where are you looking for the report coverage?
Mostly here and Reddit. I’m Canadian too, so my news is slightly less biased. Slightly.
Pass.
Anyone who thinks their AR-15 is going to let them take on a tyrannical government has no understanding of how tanks work.
A person has to get in that tank, and sooner or later, they have to get out again…
Now you know the true reason behind the ai push
IFVs exist for this exact purpose and they typically have minimum 1 per tank if not 2.
You ain’t gonna get very far when theres a 25mm auto cannon spraying and praying in your general direction.
Plus the coaxial 7.62 MGs
Plus the hull mounted M2 .50 cal MGs.
Why do you think separatists and resistance movements have to rely on IEDs and forcing fights in urban environments with a metric ton of cover available?
Why do you think they get steamrolled by mechanized armored units like almost every time that forces them into guerilla fighting tactics like digging tunnels and using mountainous terrain?
Yeah, this is why the us won in Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam… Why they must have stood no chance at all, not like an armed and modivated population could put a modern force in a quagmire for 20 years… The us is just difference somehow (citation needed) then the rest of the world.
Gulf War 1 was literally the king of all curbstomps and the Taliban fell just as fast to a swarm of CAS, even though they had the NWA completly surrounded.
Only Vietnam survived because surprise surprise they had a hefty mechanized supply line provided by the USSR via China.
Gulf 2 and the aftermath in Afghanistan was still a ridiculously long occupation that all hinged on the idea that the US no longer had any meaningful interest to commit resources and would eventually leave.
Point is, if you wanna go down the route of “I need 2A for an oppressive government”, you’ll quickly find yourself getting into the same situation as everyone else. Unless you form a side via a civil war, you’re gonna suffer heavy losses in the initial stage just like everyone else, and commit to long term attrition just like everyone else.
The point is the us has a very bad history with long occupations, they can put bombs on foreheads and “curb stomp” a standing force but when it comes to the hard part they have little success. And a home occupation is a lot worse then one on the other side of the world. The armed forces in the us are already dealing with some large morale issues currently and I can’t think ordering them to repress a state/city/campus will help that situation much. The us is not immune to all the nasty things that can happen to nations and is not special, only think they are.
And why the hell do you think revolutionaries will be facing the army in open honorable combat? And what’s wrong with doing the fighting in urban areas and digging tunnels?
Sure, an AR-15 won’t take down a tank. But if you’re even asking if they can, you fundamentally misunderstand how revolutions and insurgencies work.
Nothing, i’m just saying that most people don’t understand this and don’t know that their individual skills with a firearm just won’t matter much if you don’t organize into a proper group with modern vehicles at your disposable.
Point is, if you wanna go down the route of “I need 2A for an oppressive government”, you’ll quickly find yourself getting into the same situation as everyone else. Unless you form a side via a civil war, you’re gonna suffer heavy losses in the initial stage just like everyone else, and commit to long term attrition just like everyone else.
Not saying it’s a bad idea in any way, but there’s a significant portion of the American community that I could not imagine being able to walk 10k despite stockpiling a platoon’s worth of ammo.
Sure, but they will get in that tank inside a well fortified base protected by helecopters with door mounted mini guns and Hellfire missiles, go out and kill people with piddly little AR-15s at an industrial scale, then return to their well fortified bases for afternoon tea.
The second ammendment was wirten back when the people and the government had the same weapons. That isn’t the case anymore. If you take on the government, you die. If 100,000 of you take on the government most of you die. Unless you can get a sizeable portion of the peopulation out from in front of Keeping Up with the Kardashains and into the street to protest you’re a pedofascist dictatorship for the forseeable future.
You’re not wrong, but at least it affords us a fighting chance.
The second ammendment was wirten back when the people and the government had the same weapons.
That was the point. A point that has been lost over the years.
There has never been a revolution in history that wasn’t massively outgunned.
The real key is that you use the small guns to seize control of the big guns. And you recruit people who know how to use those tanks and other heavy weaponry. Revolutions often start with raiding armories and military bases for this very reason. You might think it’s impossible for a bunch of randos to storm an actual army base. But history proves otherwise. How many military bases are actually, right at this moment, actively preparing for a large group of civilians to storm the fences? The element of surprise is a powerful weapon.
That’s not how revolutions work. Soldiers are trained to do one thing, to kill people who shoot at them. If you shoot at soldiers there is a very high liklihood that you’re going to end up very, very dead. The only way a revolution in the US will work is if the army switches sides to support the people. If that doesn’t happen, the revolution will not succeed. A bunch of Gravy Seals in ill fitting mismatched surplus store body armour carrying AR-15s will never succeed in overthrowing the US government no matter how many childish circle jerk murder fantasies they share. What will win the revolution in the US is old ladies with pots and pans and young people with whistles. You need to get enough people off their asses and into the streets making noise and protesting. That means you need over 12 million people in the streets protesting on a sustained basis then you need the army to suppor the people.
A bunch of Gravy Seals in ill fitting mismatched surplus store body armour carrying AR-15s will never succeed in overthrowing the US government no matter how many childish circle jerk murder fantasies they share.
They came quite close to doing exactly that on January 6th. Have you forgotten already?
I don’t think they came anywhere close to overthrowing the government. Trump didn’t call out the National Guard but the surrounding states sent theirs in. Had the asshats persisted I have no doubt that there would have been a lot of dead insurrectionists.
They came very close. You do realize there was a deliberate plan on January 6th, don’t you? The riot was part of that. And they came very close to succeeding. Their goal was to provide enough chaos to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and to kill the people that were preventing Republicans in the House from handing the election to Trump. They didn’t have to hold off the army forever. They just needed to interrupt the mechanism of government at one critical moment. Pence was refusing to go along with the plan to decertify slates of electors under bogus election fraud charges. The rioters attempted to hang Mike Pence, and Trump’s security tried to spirit Pence away to an unknown location for unknown purposes. That was the ultimate goal. It wasn’t just a random spasm of violence. It was a deliberate and specific plan to make Trump the legal winner of the 2020 election.
January 6 ended with a single bullet.
My guns aren’t for heroics. My guns are for worst case scenarios.
Mine, too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There are worse things than dying in a firefight.
The Viet Cong would like a word
That’s a little different. That was an insurgency, not a revolution, and they were heavily supported by China and Russia. That would be more comparable to the years long grinding insurgency that would bankrupt the US if it ever tried to take over Canada.
Tanks sure. But that’s if you can’t keep the illusion of tyranny for everyone to consume.
I just need a few Barrett m82s for squirrel hunting… It’s my right!
How did this work out for Alex Pretti? He’s the perfect example of how this shit will/would play out. Stop telling people to commit suicide ffs.
No bro just roll over and take it bro pls I’m telling you
Alex was a kind and caring individual, and if he thought he was going to die I bet he still wouldn’t have used his sidearm.
I, on the other hand, am not a kind and caring individual. If someone rolls up on me aggressively, my instinct is to pull out and let god sort them out.
that said, I have hyper situational awareness. I don’t put myself in compromising situations. I get myself out of them.
I’m not a badass. I’m not a hero. I’m just a guy trying to come home to his family.
I have no clue of what you’re trying to say.
what I’m trying to say is just because one person doesn’t show the initiative to protect themselves shouldn’t make it acceptable to deny others the ability to protect themselves.
I’ve been in situations that would have not happened had I shown my resolve to protect myself.
having a firearm is more than just a form of protection, it’s also a form of deterrent, and a form of rebellion. it’s a symbol showing others your resolve.
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Make sure someone takes video of when you “fight back.” I’d love to see how it all plays out.
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Martin Luther King Jr. was only successful because he was the carrot, The Black Panthers were the stick. But tell me again how being armed is a bad idea entirely when it’s shown in history disarmed populations are just easier pickings.
Pretti’s mistake was not using his gun. They were gonna kill him and call him violent either way. May as well take a fascist with him.
