Any active Matrix spaces anyone can recommend to me? I joined a few from the public directory but they all seem dead.
Let’s protect the children by scanning everyone’s face and ID and uploading them to a server that’ll get hacked five years from now.
Five years? My, aren’t we optimistic.
That sounds more like the Discord I know.
And said data will never be used for fake CSAM or a library for the powerful to handpick their next victims
I hear you, but what about: it actually will be used for those things?
“Hacked” I’m convinced most of them are selling it, then claiming being hacked so they have plausible deniability when the alias/e-mail you ONLY used for discord starts getting spam+. Depending on if you linked your number, etc…
There’s a disturbing amount of people thinking of the children
Disclaimer: I don’t like Discord and stopped using it years ago. And this announcement is just another step on the road to enshittification. It’s a shit corporation going public and becoming more shit in the process. Simply don’t use their shit.
However, it seems a bit rage-baity to claim that Discord will require age verification for all users. That simply doesn’t seem to be true. Age verification will be required for users who don’t feel the basic features are enough. Were I still dumb enough to use Discord, I don’t think I’d feel the need to go for the age verified account.
For ID scans, Discord says that documents “are deleted quickly.”
Just a few months ago they had a data leak which proved that they were indeed /not/ deleting documents and ID’s like they had been claiming.
Granted in that case it was mostly countries that force keeping that data but, I’m sick of companies lying and saying “lol yea we defo delete the data after”
I won’t even give hard drives when recycling a computer, I pull and smash myself. Last set of old drives I cut in half with bolt cutters.
That’s overkill, a couple of passes with dd and it’s irrecoverable.
A couple of passed with dd takes way longer than bolt cutters and it’s much less satisfying
Yeah lmao. Wipe one drive at a time with a USB connector. No thanks. I don’t have bulk drive operation equipment and then it ties up a computer doing the work.
Wait, you don’t just hang like 6 of them out of your desktop by their cables and wipe them while you sleep?
Mine, sure. I replaced 15 desktops that day, no fucking way.
Snip
I think bolt cutters are faster though
And significantly more power efficient
But more wasteful
They’re 500gb mechanical hard drives with financial data on them. Snip and done. No time wasted, not reusing them.
What’s dd?
A tool, primarily within Linux, that can overwrite disks. I’ve never seen it recommended for data deletion, but I guess it makes sense.
It stands for “disk to disk” and is usually used for things like writing ISOs.
However,
shredis the usual approach.
I think I’ve never disposed of one for this reason haha
My friend is an exec there. After reading this thread bugged him to buy my software that would protect this vulnerability. They confirmed data/file never leaves the user’s device. Sounds pretty safe.
Source: Trust me bro.
Yeah, I’ve known him and worked with him over 10 years and he knows I’m a user. I trust him. You don’t need to trust me.
Well, looks like I’m leaving discord.
Maybe this bullshit will be the spark needed to move us all off Discord. It’s fine for voice-chat in games, don’t get me wrong, but I HATE how its replaced forums/wikis for so many games/mods/etc. Searching disparate Discord servers is like looking for a nonferrous straw-colored needle in a haystack.
Worse, it also makes it seem like developer support that is provided through Discord needs to be always on/always available since you can be pinged on Discord 24 hours a day. Why would you do that yourself, I don’t know. At least with forums you can choose to respond on your own time frame and people have less recourse to act like you should be around and available. It’s just asking for higher demand from the userbase since you’re chatting with them in real-time, they begin to expect real-time fast responses.
People are already looking to migrate to checks notes apps exactly like discord.
What’s wrong with good old fashioned data base backed message forums? There are so many implementations available, I’m sure many are FOSS, and I’m sure there’s managed solutions as well. It’s a mature, tested, rock solid reliable technology that has existed pretty much since the inception of the internet, and can be easily incorporated into other tools and workflows - because there is 40+ years of development work with the concept.
Seriously, why?
[cries]
I have just been using signal. Works fine.
I’m actually pretty happy that Discord is killing itself. Far too many people use it as an official platform for stuff like help forums.
Maybe lets go back to basic message boards that are actually searchable, etc.
Self-hosted options like Mumble also exist.
Self-hosted is a pain to get started with but as everything enshittifies if will only get more important.
Self hosting also just isn’t possible for a fair number of people
As someone who doesn’t use the voice chat feature of Discord, I am always confused when people suggest things like Mumble as an alternative.
I am of the opinion that any project that uses Discord for support, I just immediately ignore.
I’m still salty about The Cutting Room Floor requiring you to log into their Discord to create an account for their website.
So mad at retro tink for this…
I would barely be okay with a bank or government website asking for this information, I sure as shit would not give it to a fucking chat app.
If the pushback on social media doesn’t get Discord to drop these plans, then I’ll just have to delete the app.
Not caving to another app asking for Personally Identifiable Information (PII) only for this same data to be leaked months to years later.
Society will do everything to protect children aside from making better parents.
I am also leaving discord, I hated it and the people who use it a lot, but used it to connect to family members. I will find other ways.
This is the same exact cycle I went through with social media, which I also left entirely. I stopped browsing a lot of sites I used to, I took most of my personal info off the internet, and ended a lot of subscriptions.
The internet lately is feeling more and more like making end-of-life plans.
Because parenting is hard and they don’t need the working masses distracted by kids, they need them slaving away forever.
The obvious solution is architecting society such that parents have more time to parent while making enough to pay the bills, rather than exporting parenting because they can’t afford to miss work due to parenting.
You start having enough of these conversations, and it all eventually points back to capitalism and taxing the rich.
But… But… They pinky promise it’s all secure, and that they won’t hold any of your data! You can’t trust a pinky promise? You monster!
I’ll gladly scan a face. I just happen to look exactly like Gale Dekarios
Dan Bongino!
Anyone remember xFire? It was better 15 years ago than Discord ever was or will be.
…damn I miss that shit. They were litigated out of existence by a frivolous lawsuit from Yahoo. This is why we can’t have nice things.
Dude xFire was my jam.
I remember leaving xFire handles in my forum signatures with a random anime picture. Those were the days…
Xfire was all we ever needed.
Yeah, no. Companies don’t get to scan my face or ID. You know they are selling your data.
I hope there is a mass exodus from discord!
Where should we go? So many game dev communities are only on discord :(
IRC & Matrix
Other people have been recommending other apps and websites like Stoat and Team Speak though I am sure that a new app will use this opportunity to go viral.
I mean, let me know when it does. I’ll hang out with the Teenager Lock enabled and keep my biometrics to myself.
But there’s no point changing social media ecosystems if nobody I know is in the new site.
What is teenager lock? How can I safely engage with this stuff idek
Discord has some information about it in their press release about this:
https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally
What is teenager lock?
Discord locks your account to the security level considered appropriate for a teenager.
They’ll offboard too, if they know what’s good for them.
already making plans with my battle group t move to team speak 6, which is only an option because they now have screen sharing
Have you considered self hosting Matrix?
yea, but with the video streaming team speak seems better equipped for gameing, at the cost of the federated capability of martix, but i am not sure what these benefits would be
Skill issue, kid.
what? if you have something to add please do. i do not see the benefit of federation in my voip
Good that there are alternatives but I bet that won’t last for long. More and more apps will copy this.
Or just get bought out. Discord was supposed to be the answer to Twitch getting gobbled up. Then Microsoft gobbled Discord.
Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?
Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?
federated platforms
Federation is easy. BlueSky is federated, ffs. You think Jack Dorsey would be shy about selling his Twitter knock-off a second time?
Bluesky is poorly federated
Lemmy is excellently federated:
- Its users are split across many instances with no majority
- Lemmy, PieFed, and other instance software exists, preventing anyone from seizing control of the network software
i mean… i will pay the license for it, AND i have to self host it, so they have a monetary scheme that will delay the need for enshitification. but it’s 5$ or something, and reportedly has better audio quality, faster transfer rates, and lower overhead then discord. and because i am hosting it, i will have complete control over it and its white list
Wow I guess I get to finally dump Discord as my last proprietary chat app.
There are lots of self hosted alternatives like Mattermost, Mumble, and Matrix (decentralized).
There’s also the new Freenet River demo: https://freenet.org/quickstart/
Maybe I’ll make my own discord clone lol.
Before you start your own, contribute to
RevoltStoatchat.
The general comment and title is simply untrue. They will require verification in cases of known adult or censored content, and in NSFW channels and servers. “Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
That said, I give it 6-10 months before it’s required for all users regardless of content access.
Wouldn’t that significantly destroy their user base? Most servers I have seen it talked about the feeling seems to be not a fucking chance but we don’t use this for porn anyway.
I would love to see a popular alternative appear from this.
Queer people are pornographic according to the authors of these laws
A popular alternative only arises if you migrate to it before it’s popular. There are multiple platforms already available that resemble discord already
Yes but if I want to talk about the game Isonzo, they have a discord but not IRC.
“Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
They are also rolling out something like an AI that monitors your chatting and browsing habits that can determine your “implicit age” as well, this isn’t exactly shocking, but it’s gross how it’s being promoted as a handy feature.
The entire thing is a state surveillance project and yes, they are working on desensitizing the population to having no privacy or personal lives.
Sure hope our government doesn’t collapse to a fascist oligarchy or authoritarian surveillance state, sure could bite us all in the ass when the armed deathsquads get ahold of both our identifications, faces and our ideology and the names and faces of all our friends and family members.
Or would be a shame if all the people who use discord to communicate with other marginalized people suddenly had all their personal information revealed to friends, family and schools, including what chat channels and servers they visit, what games they play, who their friends are and so on.
Oh well, I’m sure the company and the government will be completely fair and transparent about all of our online identities.
You’re blatantly ignoring how these laws are actually implemented and assessing them instead by taking the lies of their authors at face value.
Note my final comment. I understand the reality.
Discord was always an overhyped crap.
it was useful when it was new and there were no alternatives as easy to use.
Now it feels like commercialized app slop that wishes it was actual social media.
I’ll scan my ass.
They’ll have a “retina” scan of a brown-eyed cyclops.
Ol Toothless, that’s his name
ben afflek’s lost sibling
