• Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de
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    18 days ago

    Last panel gets it wrong, though.

    Rest of the world totally thinks that there is such a thing as original American food:

    High-caloric, hyper-processed junk containing no significant nutritional value but much too much fat, fructose sirup and carcinogenic substances.
    That, and watery beer.

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    Hamburgers, meatloaf, gumbo, and all sorts of southern food is American.

    *Edit. Some of you think hamburgers weren’t an American creation. Y’all are incorrect. The humburg meat was never put between bread. The sandwich hamburger is a US creation.

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      18 days ago

      Hamburger were invited in Athens Texas. Just go ask that city they advertise that it was a man from that town at the World Fair in the 1930’s.

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      18 days ago

      I have to think of a lot of fish dishes too. Since we only have them here. I don’t think Walleye is from anywhere else. Maybe I’m wrong.

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          18 days ago

          Preparing pineapple or mango isn’t native either and included in these comparisons.

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            18 days ago

            I didn’t say anything about nativeness. Also seems like you forgot to finish your sentence, I’m really not sure what you are trying to say here.

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          I find it fascinating that almost half of the world has their own dumpling (ie. a small ball of a cheap source of protein and fat held together by a wrapping of flour dough; a peasant dish that’s most often boiled).

          I bet if you they would all dispute the origin of that food item.

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          My point is that US people tend to claim ownership to a lot of things that were not invented there. I’m all for sharing culture and food and transforming them to something new, but don’t claim they are your invention.

          Like as american as apple pie is an expression for a dish from Germany and the Netherlands.

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            18 days ago

            My point is that nationalism is poisoning society and destroying the ecosystem, and this discussion isn’t helping.

          • Nah, I as an naturalized American citizen I do not want stuff I create to be called “Chinese”, its xenophobic. I mean, you can say “Chinese-American” to refer to me but not “Chinese”. Cuz why is a white US Citizen creating stuff labeled as “American” while stuff I make is not “American”? Double standards.

            If I come up with a new food receipe, its American food. If I make a painting, that’s made by an American artist. If I publish a book, that’s written by an American writer. Don’t fucking try to “other” me.

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            17 days ago

            Meanwhile, German Chocolate Cake has nothing to do with Germany!

            It was created by a guy with the last name of German…

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              17 days ago

              The chocolate was made by a man named Samuel German in the 1850s, but recipe for the cake that uses the chocolate was made by a Mrs. George Clay, who sent her recipe into the Dallas Morning News in 1957.

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        18 days ago

        You’re literally wrong. A hamburger as a sandwich is a US creation. So is gumbo. Literally do a 2 minute search about it before “thinking” you know what you’re talking about. Lol

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      Dude, Hamburgers are literally named after the non-US city they originally came from…
      But I have to admit that the refinement to its delicious present day form is an American achievement!

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        18 days ago

        That’s a Hamburg steak. Not a hamburger, since there’s no bun

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        Na, buddy. You’re wrong. The Hamburg thing is just about a mashed up piece of meat. Not the hamburger. Putting the meat in the bun to make a sandwich is 100% US like 125 years ago.

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          That’s quite disputed.
          One of the more likely theories states that the bun idea together with the ground meat steak originated in Hamburg, where it was a variant of the common “Rundstück warm”, which has been around since 200 years ago or so.

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            It’s less disputed than most food origins. I looked up your rundstuck warm food. Dunno why you’re trying to make that argument, because because that sure looks nothing like a hamburger, nor does it get eaten like one. That it didn’t use ground beef aside, it being covered in gravy is a dead giveaway.

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    Partner (UK) and I (US) talk about this a lot. I felt this way, but she pointed out to me that the US is astonishingly good at taking dishes from other countries and putting a spin on them, such as changes in texture or combinations. Once I started to pay attention I agreed.

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    18 days ago

    Alfredo pasta was invented in Italy.

    The US invented its own dish and gave it the same name.

    America has distinctive quick breads like southern biscuits and flapjacks, many desserts were invented by the Pennsylvania dutch (like doughnuts and approximately a billion cakes and pies), several excellent kinds of whiskey, a galaxy of unique bbqs, Cajun food, distinctive east and west coast deli styles, a distinctive style of fried chicken, chocolate chip cookies, deep dish pizza, french dip sandwiches…

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      The one I love is German Chocolate Cake. Invented in either Pennsylvania, or New York, the prole’s last name was German.

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        Especially funny as Pecans are a very American thing, they don’t even grow in Europe.
        So probably a significant part of the US population thinks because of this cake that Germans bake Pecan based stuff, while most Germans (me included) haven’t seen a Pecan nut in their whole life. :-)

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          Honestly most Americans think more about the coconut in that cake than the handful of pecans that can be left out of the recipe altogether depending on the area of the country that you’re in.

          From what I can tell, most Americans don’t even realize that schnitzel is basically what they/we call “country fried chicken/beef/pork,” and assume that wörst in the form of various sausages, and beer are all that German cuisine consist of. Maybe some sort of doughnut as well, named after Berlin.

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    18 days ago

    Same with the argument of “we need to deport them to preserve our culture”. America has always been mix up of cultures and has a vastly different culture from state to state and city to city. New york wouldn’t have been the world renowned city it is if it didn’t have its diversity.

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    I don’t think people really realize how much food has changed in the past few centuries. I was talking with this Pakistani dude and he was telling me about this traditional dish. Like half the ingredients were from the Columbian exchange.

    The amount and variety of spices we have is just crazy in a historical context. For most humans for most of human history, meals consisted of grains in a pot, whatever veggies you could scrounge up (which looked very little like they do today), and a little meat if you were lucky.

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      Same thing in Italy. We act like our traditional dishes are something we’ve been eating for centuries while almost all of them became a thing after WWII, during the economic boom, when a lot of people became able to afford a larger variety of ingredients, the cold chain became efficient, and we started to import recipes and food from foreign countries, and anyway the original and popular version of some classics was completely different from what we eat today and consider traditional. It is still true that many dishes are peculiar of our traditional cousine, but the way we act about it is just patriotic nonsense. Pasta itself might be historically considered more of an us italian-american thing than an italian dish

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      Well at least our Finnish national dish is still traditional. Take cubed beef and pork. Put them in water. Add salt. Put on heat for a sufficient amount of time.

      That’s it.

      Fancy modern versions have peppers and whatnot but traditionally it’s just salt.

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    18 days ago

    My favorite will always be wartime foods. Shit on a shingle and spam on rice are fucking amazing.

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      17 days ago

      Beans on toast is prime 🤌 Toast with butter and marmite. Glug of Worcestershire. Grate some parmesan. Cracked pepper.

      It especially hits on a cold snowy day

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    American food is whatever I eat in America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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    Italia is missing out on Chicago Style Pan Pizza and Italian Beef sandwiches. Thank you Italian immigrants for adapting and creating the delicious food.

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      17 days ago

      Perhaps establishing some additional designated Communities will somewhat reduce the US-centric pressure from the more general communities.
      So, not a bad thing, I would say.

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    17 days ago

    I just had what I think is such an American fry up for breakfast:

    Tater tots, soft scrambled eggs, refried beans, sliced avocado and onion, sharp cheddar, and chipotle salsa.

    Cuban sandwich is American - the bread is Cuban (I asked several people from Cuba) and while we have made some foods worse (fast food Chinese) some are better too - there is great Italian American food, certainly, and fusion stuff that is amazing. And fried chicken can be so good. I think we are aquisitive as fuck, both the language (we will take your word and make it part of English) and with foods. For better and worse.