What im hearing is that if we want those things sooner and at a reasonable price, we should do anything and everything possible to pop the AI bubble.
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for us to own nothing.
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I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for is to own nothing.
They’re certainly welcome to attempt selling that to me.
They won’t like the outcome, but that’s more of a them problem.
We’ll see. I hope you’re right. Similar tactics in the housing market have created situations in which rent is cheaper than mortgage payments, which is a bad portent.
I mean, I’ve already got a backlog of 100+ Steam and GOG games I haven’t played yet, plus something like 1000+ retro game ROMs, and I’m happy to go digging in the crates as it were. There are already more games available than I’ll have time to play in my lifetime.
They push cloud gaming and I go fuck off entirely.
what? no they haven’t. Rent is usually more expensive than mortgage payments we just set up the finanical system to disallow most renters from taking out a mortgage because its more profitable to trap people in an endless cycle of payment.
Doesn’t that rely on everyone having a fast internet connection with a high data cap? That’s not the case for a lot of people
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
I haven’t ever used game streaming, is it seriously that latency-free that it’s worth it? I just can’t imagine that.
Depends on how close you are to the server and your Internet connection. For me when my Internet isn’t having a bad day, the latency is good even for twitchy shooting games. I wouldn’t rely on it for a competitive game full match length, but anything single player is good. Pretty much anything that isn’t super fast paced twitchy is good. GeForce Now is how I first tried Cyberpunk path tracing. Worked great
I remember trying out games on GeForce Now, Gamepass, and Luna around the same time. GeForce Now and Luna latency wasn’t a problem for me. Gamepass was frequently really bad
I’m not subscribed to anything anymore. Just wanted to try them out. Only when there’s a deal. Forgot to subscribe for one month 50% last month so I’ll wait again. Probably a summer month when I want to game but not use my desktop
Interesting. I have 5gbps fiber so I wonder if it’d be good. I’m just struggling to understand how it could be, lol. I don’t really game anymore though. Thanks for the reply!
You can Google your city and distance to closest GeForce Now data center or other video game streaming service. I’m like 300-400 km away from a data center hosting geforce now
You guys have data caps? Or is that mobile broadband?
Depending on location. Same city 3 years ago no data cap. Current neighborhood first had a data cap that had overage fees or pay an extra $50 a month for uncapped. Now with a service provider that does throttling after a point during congestion
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Possibly, but this doesn’t diminish my desire for that bubble to pop sooner rather than later.
Good? Current gen is extremely capable and there’s no reason for a refresh then anyways.
Yeah, it feels like those consoles would be more expensive, for hardware that’s not going to be terribly stronger, to play games which don’t need the visual upgrade, and all of that wants to be paid by players with less money to spend.
I can just have the AI play my games for me. Problem SOLVED!
Then you’ll be free to work more! It’s win-win!
EXACTLY what the Billionaires were after in the first place. That’s some 3-D chess going on here.
This is great news for the video game community as even Sony and Microsoft admit consoles have nowhere else to go. They are already maxed out mini PC’s. So without huge graphics cards, you will see ZERO actual improvements on a 2028 console.
Save your money.
I dont want consoles to “get better” i want them to do more.
kinect was great and they killed it
1v100 was great and is kill
360 was promising us a virtual economy where pseudo-modders could make skins and sell them and they decided no
mixxer seemed great and is kill
picture in picture was great for waiting for games with really low player count but is kill
where’s WoW
they stopped shipping headsets with xbox and now voice chat is basically dead.
basically everyone has phones now but theres next to no uses other than jackbox and dance game
the avatars were pretty sweet, a nice cute MTX-fueled self-insertion gimmick.
These are jsut xbox related because peasantry. I could go on and on if I put some thought into it, and what’s worse is that a lot of my gripes there ACTUALLY EXISTED. They saw it could be done, did it, then just said “lol no”. I dont know what game theyre playing, just creating previous work to hoard patents or some shit, but we’ve got perverted by graphics over the ages.
We marveled at shiny graphics/polygon count/draw distance/objects on screen because it was the most surface-level, obvious, in-your-face evidence of improvements. Nobody but tech enthusiasts really care about it. The big improvements we actually gave a shit about are the quality of life features, control schemes and shit.
Goldeneye 007 on the N64 was considered a masterpiece, and is still looked on some 30 years later with nostalgia about the good old days. Go play it if you get a chance its near unplayable because the controls are weird. The dated graphics will be jarring but theyre not what irks you.
Stardew Valley is a straight rip-off of Harvest Moon, but go play a HM game from before SV. So much of it is janky and weird.
They’ll be saying theres nowhere left to go because computing power has basically plateaud but there is so much more room for improvement and innovation.
Microsoft could justify a $1000 console if it can also be used as a full desktop computer. I couldn’t see Sony doing something similar unless they miraculously brought back Linux mode.
But I also wonder if Microsoft will take a legit attempt at salvaging the Xbox brand next generation since they’ve completely blown this one now and are making no steps to remedy it.
They’ve had the hardware for it since the first Xbox, so I assume they’ve gone out of their way to avoid that. I believe they want to make sure their consumers buy both an Xbox and a PC.
$1000 computer running windows 11?
At these RAM prices?
The PS5 security keys got leaked, until they make a new hardware revision (can’t be fixed with software) every existing ps5 (and maybe pro) just became fully open.
I mean they just announced a handheld „Xbox“ that can‘t even play Xbox games but relies on Xbox Gamepass and your PC library. They don‘t do consoles anymore.
Play Anywhere means you can play some xbox titles on the handheld system, but for most of us this isn’t worth it. Very little support at the moment.
There won‘t really be a next Xbox. I think Microsoft made that very clear. It‘s all cloud gaming for AAA from here on out.
Do enough people even like the added latency of cloud gaming? And is that going to be tolerated for popular games like COD, Fortnite, or Valorant?
Maybe they’ll do that but here in New Zealand I’m not going to be streaming on my shared 100mbps connection. There are 10 people sharing the line it’s not going to work for cloud gaming.
Or it’s going to be a PC with an Xbox GUI skin and console form factor
I don‘t see why. All the hardware you need is already integrated in their data centers.
So it’s not all bad news then
Good. They can both run Cyberpunk. Games don’t need to look better than that. Let’s focus on porting older PC games that still have some life in them to existing consoles, and/or getting Steam running on them.
At some point we gotta say “what can we do with the tech we have” rather than looking toward the next one. Look at the Switch 2, it only has a couple games the Switch 1 can’t play, and “Switch 2 Edition” of existing games… that update was completely unnecessary. But they’re gonna release a big update for the biggest Switch game (Animal Crossing) in a couple weeks. Making existing games have more value.
I mean…Cyberpunk can look better than Cyberpunk if you throw more hardware at it than a PS5 and enable Path Tracing.
Who cares they will just be the same thing with more powerful hardware.
Make something new already
Good, I can’t afford new shit now anyways. Gimme shit for the shit I have.
Exactly! The good part of such a shortage is that old tech can stay relevant for far longer and devs will have to optimize more.
Sometimes, therés a lot of good in a bad situation.
I want great games, not necessarly more demanding ones. The Last of Us 2 is still the most beautiful game I’ve played and I don’t really need more if it means getting new hardware.
Yeah and like, we’re reaching diminishing returns with how good things can even look. It already looks incredible, let’s work on making it look that way with less processing power and file sizes now. You don’t need another more powerful machine for that.
Has this console generation even started yet?
Heyyyy, talk about silver linings
See you in 2028 when the economy recovers and we all have jobs again.
No GTA 6 until 2028 then.
I don’t think PS5 and XSX versions will be affected at all.
But since us on PC have to wait for that release AND the double dip on the PS6/New Xbox - we’re going to waiting until 2030 and beyond now.
At this point I’m pretending that the game hasn’t even been announced yet.
I admit I bought an XBOX 360 for GTA V so I wouldn’t have to wait for PC, but TBF you could get a used 360 for about $60 because the next gen was just around the corner. I’m not seeing any PS5s selling for anywhere near that cheap, so I won’t be playing GTA VI until it releases on PC this time around.
Good for me. It’s almost like how all the Switch Pro rumors became Switch 2 rumors and people being in denial it could be 2 because that’d be too weak in the year of release. Switch 2 is fine. Designs at this point are advanced. No sudden switching to 2030 GPU/CPU designs. You’ll get AMD 2027 designs in 2030 and budget gaming PCs in 2030+ will feast because of that
