I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a Romanian anti-communist organizer has a bad opinion of socialism, nor do I think it especially worth reading over better books.
Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
Even the CIA admitted they had just as much food as they did in the US. People voted not to dissolve the USSR for a reason and then they did it anyway. Overall, life wasn’t that bad there, you’re mostly falling for propaganda.
Even the surveillance wasn’t that bad (compared to let’s say the US where the FBI was running amok at the time spying on every leftist organization, doing assassinations, blackmail, wiretapping, etc). They didn’t have Pizza Hut and jeans were hard to come by, but other than that, they managed to improve the lives for the vast majority of their population without having to do the colonialism and imperialism of the US and the West.
It was dissolved illegally. It was a coup, and those involved got rich selling the commons off to Western capitalists at fire sale prices. They became oligarchs.
Thing #1 bad. The thing that destroys the thing #1 and solves the problems created by it is also bad. I swear centrists are the peak of historical illiteracy! Communism was never achived, you idiot! Communism is the end state where every society on earth has overthrown capitalism and has become stateless, moneyless, and classless society. Before that it’s socialism: the transitory phase of fully-realized communism. There was no fully-realized Communism in the 20th century. It was Capitalism vs socialism. Socialist states work towards Communism. So what you call socialism is also an ‘early phase communism’. And Capitalism was also the blight in 20th century. As it was in the 17th, 18th, and the 19th century, idiot.
Go read a fucking book, kid. I beg you! 🙏 Your lack of education embarrasses me.
I don’t think just “a book” is a good advice for deprograming the anticommunists, the bookstores and libraries are full of anticommunists lies pretending to be true by virtue of nearly entire academia of anticommunists and state/publishing market censorship of communism.
Like in Poland we had something like 5 communist publications in 36 years, of which three were printed in very small numbers, one was accidental selfown by illiterate succdems and one was highly contextual. For comparison Orwell shit or Ossendowski slander against Lenin has literally new edition every year.
You would need to be more specific, unless you want them to read Pipes, Montefiore or one of the million other propagandists of capitalism.
I can get onboard with socialism. I understand the need to have a strong social safety net. But many here seem to be falsely conflating socialism and communism.
Socialism isn’t safety nets, it’s a mode of production characterized by public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy with the working class in control of the state. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production by which all of production and distribution have been collectivized, are oriented towards satisfying the needs of everyone, and the state, class, and money have withered away. States like the PRC, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, the former USSR, etc are socialist, not communist yet, even if most of those are governed by communist parties.
Ah yes, life was just a peach for ppl living behind the iron curtain for the bulk of the 20th century.
kindly shut your hole
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That’s right I’m sensitive to seeing imbecilic drivel spewed in public.
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Here’s an idea: read a single book
I’ve read a few on the subject. My favourite of which was called the anti Humans by Dimitru Bacu. Have you read it?
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a Romanian anti-communist organizer has a bad opinion of socialism, nor do I think it especially worth reading over better books.
Exchange of ideas implies having actual ideas to exchange which you clearly do not.
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The only thing that’s delicious here is your dedication to making a clown of yourself in public.
Thank you Yogthos it’s been a pleasure conversing with you.
My dude, just because you don’t agree with my position on communism doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Are you 10?
It’s not me not agreeing with your drivel, it’s literally every piece of empirical research showing that you’re spewing utter nonsense.
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200119044114/https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
Romania, the inustrialization of an agrarian economy under socialist planning
We can also look at how people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?
I don’t think any-communist is educated enough to read and understand all this.
Even the CIA admitted they had just as much food as they did in the US. People voted not to dissolve the USSR for a reason and then they did it anyway. Overall, life wasn’t that bad there, you’re mostly falling for propaganda.
Even the surveillance wasn’t that bad (compared to let’s say the US where the FBI was running amok at the time spying on every leftist organization, doing assassinations, blackmail, wiretapping, etc). They didn’t have Pizza Hut and jeans were hard to come by, but other than that, they managed to improve the lives for the vast majority of their population without having to do the colonialism and imperialism of the US and the West.
Not being mean, but curious, why did they dissolve the union? How does it differ from what I was taught about it being an economic collapse
It was dissolved illegally. It was a coup, and those involved got rich selling the commons off to Western capitalists at fire sale prices. They became oligarchs.
Overall it was indeed pretty good, and got significantly worse after the dissolution of socialism and restoration of capitalism.
To be fair, I’m not endorsing capitalism. Capitalism is the 21st century blight as communism was in the 20th.
Thing #1 bad. The thing that destroys the thing #1 and solves the problems created by it is also bad. I swear centrists are the peak of historical illiteracy! Communism was never achived, you idiot! Communism is the end state where every society on earth has overthrown capitalism and has become stateless, moneyless, and classless society. Before that it’s socialism: the transitory phase of fully-realized communism. There was no fully-realized Communism in the 20th century. It was Capitalism vs socialism. Socialist states work towards Communism. So what you call socialism is also an ‘early phase communism’. And Capitalism was also the blight in 20th century. As it was in the 17th, 18th, and the 19th century, idiot.
Go read a fucking book, kid. I beg you! 🙏 Your lack of education embarrasses me.
I don’t think just “a book” is a good advice for deprograming the anticommunists, the bookstores and libraries are full of anticommunists lies pretending to be true by virtue of nearly entire academia of anticommunists and state/publishing market censorship of communism.
Like in Poland we had something like 5 communist publications in 36 years, of which three were printed in very small numbers, one was accidental selfown by illiterate succdems and one was highly contextual. For comparison Orwell shit or Ossendowski slander against Lenin has literally new edition every year.
You would need to be more specific, unless you want them to read Pipes, Montefiore or one of the million other propagandists of capitalism.
straight up nazi shit
Socialism was never a blight, while capitalism in the 20th century absolutely was, and had already reached the imperialist stage.
I can get onboard with socialism. I understand the need to have a strong social safety net. But many here seem to be falsely conflating socialism and communism.
How can you not know what socialism is if you’re gonna bark all fucking day long about it? How sad are you?
Socialism isn’t safety nets, it’s a mode of production characterized by public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy with the working class in control of the state. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production by which all of production and distribution have been collectivized, are oriented towards satisfying the needs of everyone, and the state, class, and money have withered away. States like the PRC, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, the former USSR, etc are socialist, not communist yet, even if most of those are governed by communist parties.
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I lived under communism and I can definitively tell you that you’re full of shit.
The majority of people who lived in the USSR want it back. This is increasing over time, a desire for socialism is on the rise, especially in Russia and Belarus.