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I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.
The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.
That is a terrifyingly high number if you ask me.
The number goes down below 10 when asked if they’d want to separate if the Conservatives had won the federal election. They’re just angy at the libs. When push comes to shove they will vote it down.
I’ve posted about this before, but I’ve been out with coworkers for a beer before and had the exact conversation on the “rest of Canada not caring” point about O&G jobs in Alberta. I’m originally from Ontario so I could chime in on that perspective for them.
The conversation was mostly geared towards them thinking the Albertan economy is “floating” the rest of Canada. When I brought up the size of Toronto and Montreal and the industries just in those two cities they brushed it off. So I took a different tactic, I started asking them if they cared about manufacturing jobs in Quebec, or fishery jobs in the maritimes or automotive jobs in Ontario. Unsurprisingly they said they didn’t know / care and that those jobs weren’t as numerous / important as O&G.
I ended it with saying, people care about Alberta as much as you care about Ontario, Quebec, BC, the Maritimes which is essentially zilch. I’m not sure if I got through to them but one guy actually said “somehow this seems worse”. I just said “really Alberta doesn’t register in most Canadians radars unless negatively”.
They also genuinely couldn’t understand why folks out east or in BC don’t want pipelines or further O&G investment in their provinces.
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We’re all immigrants.
Most of us anyway.
Referendums and the specific topic is a bit different. But I think looking at Trump and America should make people very wary of what having 30% of the population as fanatics can do.
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So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??
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My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.
So, what about First Nations?
The separatists don’t concern themselves with “minor details” like that.
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I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they’d have no shot.
30% was all Dougie needed for a majority in Ontario…
Elections have electoral districts, which is how first-past-the-post really does its damage, through gerrymandering and gaming the system for just enough votes in each district. Does the same hold true for a referendum or is that a simple tally of all provincial votes (ie, electoral districts don’t matter)
If they want to become Americans so bad, they can always move South and apply for citizenship.
What they can’t do, is take the land with them.
I’m kind of in favor of throwing every one of the traitors over the southern border by the seat of their useless pants.
As an Albertan, I would do the same - but charge them for the ride.
But throw them in Alaska, no where near a road or border town
Please no. Those of us that aren’t right wing shit stains are doing everything they can to reign in the MAGA bullshit here in the USA. We don’t need more MAGA trash. How about putting them on a rocket to mars?
There is no independant state. The choice is be part of Canada or be part of the US, and I’m not sure what in Trump’s record make people think he would treat Canadians any better than Russia treats Ukranians
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Do it. And then when it gets, at most, 30% of the vote you’ll have shot your wad and no one will give a shit about it for another generation. At least with Québec it’ll be closer to 50%.
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They don’t get the land. All they get are plane tickets.
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For le sakes du phoque
Unless you care about seals, you are likely looking for something closer to “va faire foutre tes seins”, go fuck your tits.
I’m sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?
…Albertans are aware…
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What money are they going to use?
US dollar, probably.
I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?
The youngest boomer is less than 8 days from wt:thons 61st birthday.
It’s pretty blatant a bunch of this is being funded by US fossil fuel giants to get access to the tar sands.
All paid for by the USA
Which in turn is paid for by Russia
And we still allow it all to happen
Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, no, the referendum question has not been approved. The application has been approved. Now they have to collect the necessary signatures. What has collected the necessary signatures and been validated by Elections Alberta is the opposite motion, “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?” By law, this has to go either to a vote in the Legislature (which is extremely unlikely) or a referendum within six months. Many people believe the UCP willl call an election rather than a referendum, as all referendum questions die when an election is called.
Wouldn’t an actual referendum to secede require like 1.4 million votes?
Nevermind how Alberta doesn’t legally own the vast majority of land within it’s borders.
some thoughts:
.1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.
.2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.
.3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.
- A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.
If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.
Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.
.5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.
.6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.
(If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)
What is “”? Sounds like you had ai write all this.
What is “”?
Huh?
Idk, you tell me what this looks like 200B is…
Yay brexit!
But without the diversified economy… Or their own currency… Or warm water ports… Or any water ports…
