• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    I feel for the innocent civilians who did not ask for or deserve this.

    But I feel nothing for the ones who stood beside the brutal regime and made more enemies than competent allies.

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      7 hours ago

      Rumour is the regime is just going to move out of Tehran to somewhere else in the country, so unfortunately they may escape the consequences of their poor governing. Unless the people rise up against them of course.

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    My first grade teacher swore WW3 would be over clean water.

    Hes been proven more and more right as time goes on.

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      That’s a pretty heavy topic for a first grade teacher. Meanwhile I wasn’t taught about WWII until freshman year of high school.

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        7 hours ago

        GenX has had WW3 hanging over our heads since we could walk. There was a brief respite during the 90s, but that’s over now.

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          I was talking to someone the other day about the freedom that was felt in the music and movies of the time due, in my opinion, to the constantly hovering cold war end-of-the-world.

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    10 hours ago

    No need to worry tbh.

    Your magical fairy man in the sky will magic you up some water any second now because you’ve chosen to base your entire country around your special relationship with him, which he wants because he’s real, so you’re good.

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    8 hours ago

    Their God will save them any time now. All those years of oppressing women will surely pay off.

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    What ya mean “no water”? Are they all relying on bottled water, like the whole country? Cant watch youtube

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      There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.

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        Wait wait wait.

        Sooo… a theocratic nation lead by irrational bigots, using decades old ultracapitalistic plans… aren’t getting shit done?

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          Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.

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            Still, Iranians were overall more satisfied under The Shah’s regime than those that followed.

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              Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.

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                There is also a lot of info about the CIA teaching the Iranian gov’t effective torture techniques. I totally understand the animosity.

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        There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.

        That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.

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            11 hours ago

            You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?

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              I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.

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              Yes… The real life lore video on nebula (also YouTube) I referenced. Or if a nearly hour long video is too much of a commitment to prove me wrong, see here and here. Then 20-30 years later they implemented those plans (poorly).

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      From what I’ve heard, the current government tapped the groundwater table to push farming. Now, there isn’t enough groundwater to accommodate the difference between water demand and river water.

      It sucks for Iran.

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        19 hours ago

        Lol oh look, people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking; I wonder how often that happens!

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          people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking

          I’m not sure “maintaining adequate levels of domestic crop yield” is a short-term benefit. They’re stretched for water because they’re in a historic drought during a climate catastrophe. This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.

          The Iranian government can’t summon rain from the heavens any easier than their Saudi or Qatari neighbors. Those states just have the benefit of access to western markets and engineering firms for enormous desalination plants. Meanwhile, Iranians’ energy infrastructure - necessary to run the pumps and pipelines that irrigate much of the country - have been subject to repeated bombardment by Israeli and US aircraft. Most notably, their civilian nuclear program was crippled by Trump’s B-2 bombing run in June. But this is just the tail end of the damage inflicted by the eleven day shootout with Israel.

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            The B-2 hit their uranium enrichment, not their one civilian nuclear power plant. Iran buys uranium from Russia already enriched to the ~5% level needed to run that power plant. The Iranian program to enrich uranium above that level is entirely a weapons program, since they have no need for uranium enrichment to run their power plant.

            Perhaps instead of investing less resources in a nuclear weapons program and more into projects to benefit their population, Iran wouldn’t be in such a mess.

            This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.

            Nobody wants to invade Iran, just the countries that their calls for death to don’t want them to have nuclear weapons for obvious reasons. When you chant “Death to America! Death to Israel” constantly while funding a bunch of terrorist groups, plotting assassinations, and enriching uranium for nuclear weapons they probably shouldn’t be too surprised about the outcome of those actions.

            Most Iranians are good people, but the ruling regime are some of the worst people in the world and prioritize being adversarial assholes over running their country properly. They’re losers and I hope they get overthrown by the Iranian people.

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            And yet other articles were blaming corruption and cronyism for not adequately limiting water used for agriculture

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              Western Press do be like that. The Saudi government is experiencing the same water crisis, but somehow remains beyond repute.

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            Fair enough i was a little harsh; but I hughly doubt their uranium is civilian

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              I hughly doubt their uranium is civilian

              It is at least as civilian as any French nuclear plant. To date, there is no evidence of plutonium enrichment or bomb construction, which is more than can be said of their Israeli neighbors.

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    Minute 1:30, it calls them a “fascist dictatorship”…

    Look, I’m not going to apologize for Iran in any manner. But calling them fascist isn’t, its not quite right. Fascism is a form of political identity. It has a specific meaning. The regime in Iran might be terrible, but its not fascist, per se…

    Also the comments on this video are wild.

    This video is hard to suffer through. I’d love to hear a deep dive, but I can’t stomach this.

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        Iranians have a more democratic society than any other country you could name in the region.

        What they are is under siege. The eleven day war with Israel crippled their domestic infrastructure. And the ongoing sanctions placed by the US prevented them from rebuilding in a timely manner.

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          That’s like saying that out of a rhino, a hippo and a horse, the horse is best at flying because it can jump. Iran isn’t democratic. It’s a single party theocracy that jails or murders it’s people for saying mean stuff about the unelected leader that was supposedly chosen by god.

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            Iran isn’t democratic. It’s a single party theocracy

            I count four major coalitions of parties, and a healthy batch of independents, which is more than can be said of any American, Canadian, or UK government. I don’t know how you get “single party” out of that. Hell, the Reformist coalition just took the Presidency a year ago for the first time.

            jails or murders it’s people for saying mean stuff about the unelected leader that was supposedly chosen by god

            You seem to have Iran confused with the US. It’s always fucking projection with you guys.

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              How fucking disingenuous can you be? Like the number of prties is an indicator if how good you’re doing democracy, ignoring the rape, torture, murder, and disappearance of dissidents.

              You should be ashamed to defend such a brutal regime, unless you live there in fear of arbitrary arrest for not.

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                Like the number of prties is an indicator if how good you’re doing democracy

                “Iran only has one party and that’s bad”

                “The number of parties doesn’t matter, aktuly, and you’re stupid if you thought so”

                :-/

                You should be ashamed to defend such a brutal regime

                Wipe the Saudi light sweet crude off your lips before you try to deliver that line in earnest.

                I suspect your definition of “brutal regime” is “they won’t let me jerk it to women in bikinis”. There’s no real concern for Iranians assassinated by the Mossad or bombed by the Americans or starved through international sanctions. Nevermind the native expats hounded by western anti-immigration police or scientists who were kidnapped and tortured or civilians shot out of the sky for no reason at all.

                You only seem to understand “brutality” as a White Man’s Burden to resolve. So long as westerners get to exploit the labor and livelihood of a Middle Eastern people, Islamic Despots don’t seem to bother you in the slightest.

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            Do you mean the Guardian Council of Islamic Jurists? The populist leaders that lead the revolution against the Shah’s military dictatorship in 1979 and retain enormous popularity within Iran’s conservative religious community?

            They’ve got about as much “absolute power” as any unelected SCOTUS judges. The power is entirely derived from the Iranian bureaucracy’s loyalty to the Council over the Presidency.

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      Theocracy, fascist, dictatorship, the difference is fun for political majors to circlejerk about, but at the end of the day, these governments are hell for the populace.

      They torture, imprison and kill people that are different, people that dare dissent.

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      As an Italian, I can tell you that I call theocratic regimes whose power is based on individual control and punishment at scale, fascist regimes.

      I know that totalitarian or, in some other cases, authoritarian would be more appropriate, but at least in my culture fascism has been the first and the archetype of all totalitarianisms.

      Not letting Iran enjoy the deserved hate it derives from an even longer history of antifascism would be too big a discount.

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      Also the comments on this video are wild.

      Honestly, they are above par for YouTube.

      …So maybe they’re bots? The more expensive kind?

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      How much of it did you watch? I watched all of it and thought it was very informative, despite a few errors. I don’t think they spent too much time on WHY the government is inept, just HOW inept it is. They shit on the current government and the Shah before them so I don’t see them playing favorites.

      Iran is pretty fascist-adjacent so it’s an easy mistake to make. They hit almost all the notes to play that song.

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        I just finished with it and its terrible in this regard. There is no disambiguation between “just the facts” and the author/ narrators political opinions and identity. Not to say those opinions are wrong or invalid but its incredibly important to separate them and to clearly identify which is which, which even the most amateur journalist understands.

        Its the framing that’s the problem, and its often what a framing leaves out that ends up being more telling. You might re-watch it with a lens for what is missing rather than what is said, and honestly, its not my job to make the gaps in your political education apparent. Like, if you come away from this video with its explanation of “why” things in Iran are the way that they are, you’ll come away wildly miseducated.

        Just because something agrees with your bias, this doesn’t make it correct.

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          It’s definitely glossing over some stuff, like when it talks about the unwillingness of neighbors to trade with them and chalking it up to “burned bridges”, I imagine the aggressive US sanctions they’ve been under played a big role there.

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      Fascism is contantly evolving, thus calling it one is fitting. It’s not just swastikas, and some realized they can deflect accusations of fascism with stuff like being “anti-swastika”, but only performatively (see Russia for that example).