I’m sorry, but why the fuck those exist and WHO THE FUCK is buying them!?..
People wondering why this was designed to need the cloud, it requires a subscription fee. Overpriced greedy product. Its actually a good idea (bed temp control), but too greedy
I feel weird because I’ve like never had a problem with bed temperature lol maybe pillows but even then that hasn’t been a problem for me in years.
You can feel the smart in these.
Hahahah wtf is this world anymore, beds getting fucked up because an internet service broke, this is the stupidest timeline.
Here i am with my primitive bed with zero electronics.
I think coding a contingency for loss of internet connectivity has got to be as basic as preventing Little Bobby Tables from deleting your data.
But then you might be able to bypass the €25/mth subscription on your €3059 mattress cover.
This is spot on. Note these asshats eventually caved and added local controls when customers kept saying how horrible it was to use the phone. The local controls are explicitly disabled unless the cloud service has recently approved the bed to allow the local controls to work. You have to use the phone to enable the local controls. The phone can’t do anything locally except tell it how to connect to wifi. If you don’t have the subscription or grandfathered in before the subscription, the local controls do nothing.
Well, unless you jailbreak your cover with FreeSleep.
Wow, I didn’t know freesleep was a thing. I wrote the sleep pod off due to the subscription snd cloud reliance. Looks like someone is working on a Home Assistant integration too! This is definitely something I’m going to follow.
I’m conflicted though, as I really don’t want to give money to a company with such a terrible business model, but they’re the only ones who make this kind of bed.
I’d research Chilipad harder if I were in the market again. At very cursory glance it seems like less of an uphill battle. I could be wrong and they could be douchey, or their engineering somehow sucks, but maybe they are good too.
FreeSleep is what I would do if they try to force the subscription on me, but I probably wouldn’t buy the product hoping that I can change their firmware against their will. I don’t want to give money to a vendor I would just be antagonistic with.
If they announced they formally endorsed use of FreeSleep as an ‘advanced alternative’, ok, but that isn’t going to happen.
Oh wow, that looks even better! When I was looking into this about a year or so ago all I could find was the BedJet and it used air instead of water. There was another company but it went out of business, this looks like it might be it?
Do you know if the Chillpad Dock Pro has sleep tracking like the Sleep 8? A big seller for me is that it automatically prevents overheating/being cold, and wakes you up at the right time. The website says this:
Automatic Temperature Adjustments for Optimal Sleep Schedule automated temperature adjustments throughout the night to keep your bed at the perfect temperature for optimal sleep.
That sounds contradictory for it to be both automatic, but also scheduled.
If you don’t own it or don’t know don’t worry, I’ll research it more. I really appreciate you showing me these options!
hahahahahahahaha… this is so stupid!
I just saw that they’re bringing back local controls but I bet it’s going to time out if the service is down for more than X time to refresh your license.
“Eight Sleep confirmed there’s no offline mode yet, but they’re working on it.”
There’s an offline mode after all. Unplug it!
When AWS went down, users lost access to the app that manages its water-cooled coils, leaving them stuck with whatever setting was last active.
That’s ridiculous. The app should merely talk to the device over wifi, if available. The cloud should only be used to connect from outside the wifi network.
Why is everything so crappy?
Because we have webdevs and think of them as devs. They are not devs. They are mostly idiots.
What do you mean? Webdevs are devs, just within a specific platform. And like any dev, they can suck or be great.
It just so happens that overwhelming amount of them do what they should not do - create actual apps (webapps in reality). We could thank Google or frameworks for this, but ultimately their incompetence leads to situations like this. Webdevs thinking of everything as a platform for their stuff that should be working at all times. If they were actual devs they would build proper native apps, think more about how devices actually supposed to work, and rely on cloud less.
What’s wrong with webapps?
I get that many could be static pages, but you’re comparing web vs desktop. And in that case, I prefer web most of the time. Why? It works the same everywhere, and I can probably access it just fine on my phone without having to get their mobile app, which probably has fewer features and more telemetry.
Web doesn’t make sense for everything, but it’s far better than desktop apps for relatively simple use cases. If the app isn’t performance sensitive and doesn’t need to store a ton of data, web is my preferred platform, especially since I’m a Linux user and would likely need to run the app through WINE instead.
Not desktop. Native. You can build native apps for smartphones and pretty much anything. Web comes into play when you decide you won’t build native version of what you want. In some cases that is guided by thoughts like “I know web will fit this project. I know the platform and will remember to keep memory and internet usage low”, but in most cases it’s about “no idea what that startup is about, but I know some AngularJS and they said I can use AWS so that’ll do”.
Similar thing is happening now with Unreal Engine 5. The difference between devs and webdevs became very similar to the difference between coding and vibe coding.
and doesn’t need to store a ton of data
I know by data you mean “data I care about as a dev” but that should also include data that is actually processed and saved on user’s device. And webapps are notoriously bad at keeping their caches and data usage low.
The difference between devs and webdevs
There is no difference, webdev is someone who solves problems with web tech, mobile dev is someone who does mobile apps, embedded dev works with low level components, etc. It’s all development, and often the two will mix.
For example, I worked at a startup using C for embedded stuff, Go for the server stuff, and web tech for the FE. Rust wasn’t out yet, so C was the best option for interfacing with the board components (in this case a math module for our signal processing), Go was a good mix of performance and ease of training new devs, and a web FE was the lowest barrier to getting our customers using our product (basically a high end IOT device). We built a small native FE for certain simulations, and eventually moved it to a server with a web FE.
At my current role, we build a reporting and simulation app for a niche industry. We do everything from simple forms to 3D rendering to simulations that take hours to complete (most are 15-45min). Our customers use crappy laptops, so doing the processing locally isn’t an option (they probably don’t have enough RAM anyway), so we’re going to need a server. Because of that, we decided to build it as a web app. We still have native components (some simulations use C++, another was Fortran until recently, etc), and they’re maintained by Ph.Ds in our field because the hard part isn’t the coding (our JS specialists could handle that, they’ve built a 3D app in the last few months with complex transformations and calculations due to business login needs), but knowing the math behind it all, hence the researchers.
Not all web apps are overengineered crap because they hired a dev team to build a static site, there are apps like the two I mentioned that do interesting things and happen to use web technologies.
Not all web apps are overengineered crap
I didn’t say that. There are always well engineered apps and things. But few. Compared to that, a lot of mainstream desktop apps are now web apps for no good reason. The actual reason is webdevs not challenging themselves to become something else or at least better.
If I read your case correctly, it’s basically “customers use crappy laptops -> we decided to make them use web browsers” which sounds insane to me because web content IS the reason why tons of otherwise unnecessary upgrades are done in recent 10 years or so. Office guys can’t use Chrome with just 8 GB of RAM because it will affect their business performance.
Not that I don’t believe your case doesn’t contain other specifics that make web a right choice. And I don’t need to know more of that. It’s just how it sounded to me.
But even that makes little sense as it should take commands locally and any telemetry should be done after the commands are issued. This method basically says “if we ever miss out on telemetry data, it’s just not worth it to us to give you what you already paid for. “
eh perhaps to collect usage data and somehow benefit from it.
IoT devs avoid MQTT and Multicast traffic like the plague.
You’re asking for trouble if you bought a “smart” bed that requires an internet connection to function.
Reading the comment from the guy about his bed was a sauna all night from the heat. Did he not just think to unplug it? I mean I’ve never seen one of these beds, what happens if you do??
It will have to find power somewhere else.
They bought a $2000 bed with a 24/7 internet requirement, how smart do you think they are?
anyone who buys a mattress that can’t work without being connected to the internet deserves this
Anybody buying internet connected furniture is a sucker.
A smart bed that can’t function without checking in with mother ship? That’s the dumbest thing ever. You can always tell the businesses that skipped testing lol.
Its a feature, make the product unusable if its not used as they intend. Take the sim card out of your car and watch it go into limp mode.
I don’t have a smart car though, I use a bike. No registration, no tax, barely any regulations and fewer that are actually enforced.
I think idiots buying this crap deserve this.
Much like Cybertruck owners trapped and burned to death. I guess they did nazi that coming.
First time I’m hearing of a smart bed… who tf is buying this crap? I still see Teslas out in the open and drives me mad to no end.
NGL if you have the money, a Watercooled bed is amazing.
Getting one that doesn’t work through the internet though, good luck.
Bed goes up. AWS goes down.
