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      Corn and soy are about the only agricultural products that aren’t extremely scarce this year…

      Guess what the US exports instead of buying from Brasil? Nature wants them to fail too.

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      I just wish I could find soy milk in the supermarket. I hate that we don’t prioritize our internal market first.

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        As a brasillian its the exact same thing here sadly. With tariffs our meat exports got crippled badly so I expected to have a lot of high quality cheap meat at the market but… Yup, the producers prefer not to lose their product than to sell domestically and bring down the prices, fuck those guys

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    Guess the farmers will have to sell their farms to billionaires for half price now.

    Go work for Amazon while Jeff Bezos uses your land to save money on groceries.

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    I would MUCH rather LITERALLY LOSE MY ENTIRE INDUSTRY AND WAY OF LIFE then to have ONE Trans Kid NOT feel suicidal!

    -LITERALLY all Republican Voters!

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      This is hilarious and I upvoted. But it’s also not accurate, and presenting it this way makes Trump look like a giga chad tricking bullies into punishing themselves, when he’s more like just king of a mentally ill cult. I won’t take my upvote back because I voted for Trump one time 9 years ago and I can’t take that back

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        If you’re committed to unlearning the fascism, you should know that the narrative that it’s just “mentally ill” people that voted for him is also not accurate and is infact ableist. White affluent Americans have been primed to endorse these values for centuries, it isn’t new and it isn’t disabled people’s fault.

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          Being unable to stop trying to commit mass suicide via climate change seems like a serious disability

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            It’s a social sickness but it’s not a disability.

            They can control it and they have chosen to behave like this. You do not get that in a disability

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    Customer retention is a huge thing. Customers are often hard to get and easy to lose. Piss them off and they’ll find an alternative and they are not coming back. Trump has crippled us for decades.

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      But Trump knows that his base will still vote for him regardless of how his policies directly impact them.

      Their desire for hate and oppression trumps (pun intended) whatever economic hardship they face.

      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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        Doesn’t matter what his base thinks, or who they vote for. Guess my point is that it’s too late to turn around and regain our “customer’s” trust.

        When the manager, who was approved by the employees, belts every 4th guy in the door straight in the teeth, that stores custom is drying up and it’s not coming back.

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      And the people who pointed out this would happen were laughed at or told we were being overdramatic

      Congrats republicans, you MAGA’d your way to the downfall of America. Maka America Garbage Again

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    Most farmers voted to burn their own fields… again. The same man who nearly crippled American agriculture last time was welcomed with open arms. Tariffs, trade wars, and labor shortages wrecked their profits before, but somehow they lined up for another round. It is like watching someone hire the same man who burned down their house and expecting him to rebuild it this time.

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      After his Trade War on the first term, Trump gave major subsidies and bailouts which really benefited large farmers. Trump promised similar subsidies for this term, and Trump actually delivered on that in his spending bill; but farmers were expecting more than what was promised, and they haven’t gotten that.

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        This really needs to be higher up. Farmers are millionaires who got massive bailouts and tax breaks the first Trump term. They were expecting the same thing this time around which is why they voted for him again. They voted for their bank account over human suffering and the destruction of America

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    IMO there’s a good chance that Trump’s second term will mark the end of the United States as a super power.

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      I couldn’t believe how many people don’t realize that a country literally CANNOT be run as a business.

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        It can, but it doesn’t mean it will be good or useful at all lol but I get what you’re saying. Government is for people, business is for profit. People and profit are not compatible as the purpose of the entity. Just look at the US Healthcare “Industry” for the most glaring example of this.

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          You’ve summed it up exactly. Business is for profit, government is for people. To expand slightly more on the thought here’s what I say:

          1. Unproductive members of a business are fired. You can’t do that with people. Well you can, but then we call that euthanasia or mass murder or other such things.

          2. A business is made up of folks that are, in the main, healthy, relatively trained and able to work. Assuming that the business is a good one and is one of those “one career” type things, you have them for about 35 years. A country has to take care of people from birth to death. So that’s like another fifty or so years.

          3. Everything that a business does and everyone it hires is (theoretically) there to help expand and grow the business and it’s associated profits. It doesn’t need things like a military which sucks up profit and is only used once in a while.

          4. A business doesn’t normally rely on its own employees to generate its profits. They might contribute, for instance Esso employees are probably paying for gas, but the vast majority of the profits are coming off non-Esso people.

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    What I don’t get is how come this hasn’t translated to more plentiful and cheaper soybeans here for the local market. You can’t buy fresh soybeans at my local grocery store. You can only get them frozen and they’re about four bucks a bag. Which isn’t hugely expensive but it’s not exactly cheap either.

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      You think things are going to get cheaper just because there’s an excess of it? No, no, that’s not how that works here. You’re used to paying $4 a bag, therefore you will continue paying $4 a bag or more until the heat death of the universe. I’ll be surprised if it isn’t $6 a bag by this time next year.

      Anything not sold will, obviously, be destroyed. Can’t have anyone trying to eat it for free.

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      Do you mean edamame? I think mature soy beans are normally dried for storage, but maybe I’m wrong?

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      Soy is great, you can make some really good-tasting, high-protein food with it for very cheap. But I’m afraid there won’t be a lot of cheap soy in grocery stores, instead those farmers will just go bankrupt.

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      More likely feedstock for bio-fuels, which also gives Republicans heartburn because the only proper fuel for their SUV is sucked out of the ground under pressure from toxic chemical-laced fracking mud, like the Good Lord intended.

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      Which is super hilarious because the same idiots who support Trump are the same idiots pushing Soy memes about how too much soy makes you gay/trans.

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    When this shitshow is over It would be nice if we could reconstruct our farming practices to focus more small local and sustainable farming instead of corporate conglomerates that damage our environment and wipe out biodiversity.

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    This is why farmers shouldn’t monocrop. Even if a farmer doesn’t care about the environment and soil health, monocropping makes a farmer vulnerable to the volatile nature of geopolitics and the global economy.

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      They voted for this and it’s going exactly to plan, they just wish the plan was faster.

      The plan is to remove everyone undocumented and then bring them all back as H-2A visa labor paying them pennies on the dollar.

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        That doesn’t make sense. Adding paperwork isn’t going to lower labor costs.
        Undocumented workers are already the least paid, least protected category of worker.
        They’d be switching from workers with no minimum wage to ones that have a minimum wage, need to be properly tracked by the IRS and all that.

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          Haha, you think they are keeping the rules the same? https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/dol-issues-game-changer-rule-for-h-2a-farmworker-wages.html

          In my state undocumented farm workers make a little more than minimum wage. After this rule change they will be able to legally pay them less.

          These are the two most important points of the blog or article I posted:

          • DOL’s Reasoning. The DOL estimates that agricultural employers will save over $24 billion over the next 10 years as a result of these changes.
          • AEWR Examples. For some states, these AEWR changes will mean that the state minimum wage will become the highest applicable wage rate for H-2A workers. For other states, the new AEWRs will be lower than the state’s minimum wage. For example, California’s statewide hourly minimum wage for most employers for 2025 is $16.50. However, the new hourly AEWR in California after applying the state’s $3.00 downward adjustment for nonmonetary compensation is $13.45 for entry-level H-2A workers in the Skill I category and $15.71 for experienced H-2A workers in the Skill Level II category.
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            I feel like what you’re missing is that this is lowering the floor for what you can pay visa holders, but saying that will make them preferable to people where there is no floor doesn’t follow.

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              I feel like you are still missing a piece of this puzzle.

              It turns the migrant farm workers into almost an indentured servitude type class. Right now they demand free market wages which is often above minimum wage in that state. Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.

              So sure there is no “floor” right now, but the free market is the floor. This change might benefit some migrants who are getting bad deals currently, but overall it will harm the migrant workforce and drive labor costs down.

              Without this migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.

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                Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.

                So why would they enter the program? They currently have demonstrated that they have no problem not having an immigration status, so why would they switch to having something that doesn’t benefit them, that they don’t want, and that costs them money?

                Their goal is to make the legal path cheaper to appeal to farmers, but farmers aren’t the ones driving the price. As you said: market rate is higher than this guarantees people. If there’s a growing shortage of labor you can expect labor wages to rise. Why would you agree to work for less if you can just go to a different farm and make more?

                I understand your point and the situation perfectly well.

                migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.

                I believe this is why you’re wrong, and farmers aren’t hoping it goes faster, but rather voted again their own interests like so many have, and just didn’t think they would specifically target their livelihoods.

                A racist administration deporting people aggressively, lowering the incentives to come here legally, and not caring about the consequences, while farmers scramble to control damage they didn’t think was actually going to happen is a way simpler story. Also fits nicely with “America first” burning the ability of those farmers to sell to a global market, canceling programs that gave them money, and canceling food aid orders that mostly existed as back handed subsidies.

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        I think it’s better understood as many different factions with their own desires:

        • Those who want raw power for the sake of power. Trump is almost certainly personally in this category. This is probably the primary motivation behind the Project 2025 stuff, tearing down the guardrails that limit their power.
        • Those who are trying to enrich themselves: Trump’s family is probably here, and Trump himself and his inner circle do seem to be motivated by financial gain to some degree.
        • Those who want to use the Trump administration to make the U.S. whiter by expelling non-white people and restricting immigration of brown people (while increasing white refugees admitted).
        • Those who want to assert dominance of certain types of Christianity (with some internal tension on whether that extends to Catholics/Protestant/Mormon/other beliefs)
        • Those who want the government to pursue business friendly policies like lower taxes and lower business regulations.
        • Those who want to leverage the government’s power to win a culture war (bullying schools, libraries, Hollywood, the media, etc., into supporting right-wing cultural principles).

        There is tension between all of these things, and there’s tension within the Trump coalition. The business interests and the immigration hardliners jockey for position with Trump and his inner circle. The religious groups and the war hawks and the cryptocurrency scammers are all trying to advance their own agenda, too.

        Not everything is going to make coherent sense. Not every idea is going to win, either. And if anything, the business side of things is less powerful than in the typical administration with several areas that are actively hostile to traditional Republican business interests (immigration, tariffs, pardoning securities fraudsters, shaking down corporations for donations or tribute).

        It’s important to recognize the tensions because those are also weak spots in their coalition. Defeating fascism will involve fomenting some internal tensions and peeling off different factions.

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    Hey there woah … if you say something bad about djt, he’ll dump on you from an F35 so EVERYTHING is PERFECT no matter what you say.

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      Actually, shit is a great fertilizer. If he had dumped it on the farm fields that need it, it would have been a better video.

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      Couldn’t even ask AI to recreate that video with correct mask placement lol. Trump is a huge fucking loser.