• pyre@lemmy.world
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    Coach injured by gunfire that crossed into baseball diamond

    what an American sentence

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    You might be safer since at least gun ranges try to keep things contained. If this is really just a bunch of yahoos blasting away “in the woods”, the only way to prevent it is to address gun “culture” and availability.

    Starting with criminal charges. I haven’t seen an update but hopefully the shooters were arrested and face charges. And no, claiming an accident shouldnt be an excuse when there is reckless disregard for human lives

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    People in a field shoot without reguard to what’s in the direction of the bullets they are firing. Kids flee, a coach is shot and someone thought they should blame the baseball field builders lol. Mate if you fire a gun and there is any reasonable belief that bullet can strike something other than your target, you should be charged with shooting at that object.

    To me that means attempting to kill that coach/kids.

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      Sounds like they are getting charged

      The Waller County Sheriff’s Office said it was now pursuing dangerous conduct charges against three people suspected of firing off guns nearby.

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        “Dangerous conduct”. wtf, I hope that’s a felony, but it really sounds like slap in a wrist like crossing the street not in the crosswalk

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          Sometimes prosecutors who want to charge someone with multiple charges pick the easiest one to get an indictment on first. That lets them hold the guy / force him to post bail while they work on other charges.

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            All too often the only justice in the us is a personal injury lawsuit, so hopefully it makes that an open-shut case

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    Everybody born in the land of the free ™ ©️* knows this is no place for a ball park, but instead it’s perfect for a school yard.

    *Conditions apply

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    Who builds a gun range in a way that bullets can escape if shot from appropriate positions?

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      I am pretty sure this is the gun range and you’re supposed to shoot in the direction of the blue arrow. That big mound of earth is where the targets would be and is supposed to catch stray bullets. Something tells me that redneck fuckery was involved.

      Found it on Google maps, I think I was right.

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        Either fuckery, or a ricochet. My first time shooting tracers was eye-opening to how much bullets bounce around. This guy shooting a 50-cal is hit in his earmuffs after the berm launches the round back at him.

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          To keep enough velocity and stay at a consistent height and ricochet in that direction seems much less likely than they were just shooting in the wrong direction.

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            I agree that fuckery is the most likely explanation in this case. However, ricochets do not need to remain at a constant height or velocity to hurt someone. A round bounced backward and arched just enough to clear the treeline would be enough. I’m kinda shocked an outdoor range would be allowed this close to those fields. Regardless of physical danger, imagine concentrating on playing ball while gunshots ring out in an adjacent lot!

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          Don’t bother to comment out speculation if you haven’t even bothered to read the article and watch the video. Like 30 bullets didn’t ricochet 500+ yards away into a baseball field.

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            My point is not that heavy volume is required for this to happen.

            Instead, a higher rate of fire gives more opportunities to witness anomolies between shots, within a given time. Combine this with tracers, and now you can easily follow these paths, before and after each bullet hits it’s initial target.

            With a 6000 round-per-minute minigun, even if you only see one tracer bounce away every second, that demonstrates a 1% chance for every round to deflect and hit somewhere unintended.

            Considering that the tracers are normally spaced out on a belt, with other rounds between them; the sample size can be reduced further, and this chance becomes multiple times higher.

            When yearly machine-gun shoots were still hosted in Knob Creek, Kentucky, the range staffed people left and right of the firing line with fire extinguishers. After the ‘finale’ occurred and weapons were cleared, they would run out onto the hills beside the range.

            With multiple miniguns firing alongside other automatics, and the insane number of rounds fired downrange, it was inevitable to have more than enough hot tracers land in the brush of these hills to start multiple small fires.

            The possibility of ricochet injury is simply matter of probability. Sure, I would never claim this is the most probable explanation, but it’s silly to claim there’s absolutely no chance this could happen.

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                I’ve already posted a video of a complete trajectory reversal. Maybe you didn’t watch it, but otherwise you’re being stubbornly ignorant choosing to completely ignore video evidence. Also, a 1/2 mile really isn’t far for something moving over 3000 ft/s. It’s clear you’re not speaking from an educated position on this topic.

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                  Firstly, it’s reported that the shots weren’t from the gun range. Second; have you seen the overhead view of the range? What exactly do you think the bullets could be bouncing off of at that range? Your thought process is just silly.

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            If you’ve seen tracer fire in real life, I doubt you would keep that position. The fact that a falling bullet traveling at terminal velocity is enough to kill or injure someone, combined with the fact that bullets travel for miles would instantly tell you otherwise. Watch tracers fired at night and you can see how frequent ricochets are when hitting a mix of rocks in dirt. The last video I shared already demonstrated that complete trajectory reversals are even possible, not that this is even required in this circumstance.

            The baseball field is only about 1/2 mile from the range backstop (about 22% of a 5.56 bullet’s maximum range). All it would take is a rock plowed up into an inopportune position on the berm to set off a freak accident. Now, as I’ve said in another comment, I absolutely don’t believe this is the most likely explanation; however, to discount it as an impossibility is ignorant.

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              The range of a round when fired and the range of a round after it hits a rock and bounces are two incredibly vastly different things. Also nobody’s talking about a bullet falling from the sky. Look at where that range is look at the angle from which they’re firing and look at where the baseball field is. There is no possibility a Ricochet fired at that range could bounce back into that baseball field like they claim. It’s not possible.

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                I think he made a good case for it being possible. That baseball field really isn’t far away from a bullet’s perspective. He mentioned his first time shooting tracers, which makes me think he has a lot of real life experience shooting FMJ bullets and seeing them ricochet. He posted videos showing ricochets, you can see them maintaining almost all of their momentum.

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                  The issue isn’t the distance, though I think it’s further than you think, it’s angle. You can see where the range is. You can see where the baseball field is. It’s not possible. The JFK bullet couldn’t do this. He made a good case for ricochets being a thing that happens, not in this case.

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      The article says that the people who were shooting weren’t on the shooting range property, so it was probably just some morons shooting guns in an unsafe location who and direction who can’t be bothered to use the shooting range. Hopefully the range, were they to actually use it as intended, has proper berms and backstops to keep any rounds from going an unsafe direction.

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      They should just supply every Texan with bulletproof armour and helmets and make it mandatory that they should wear them at all times … because there is a high likelihood that they might get shot either intentionally or accidentally.

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        As a non-American, it sounds like this should be the uniform issued at birth or at least when (if?) kids reach school age. I say “if” because vaccines are being outlawed. Technically body armour is just another kind of vaccine though, no?