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“Pro life feminist”
I give my left leg if this is not another TERF group
Feminists are TERFs & homophobes PERIOD, the ones that aren’t are in hiding.
I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.
Oh boy, you’ll learn
People thinking porn addiction causes all the problems in society, must be a day ending in Y.
Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people
This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
Pron addiction is just Christian men who watch an average amount feeling guilty about it because their religion groomed them to feel guilty to control them.
You are entitled to that opinion, but it is in defiance to what science says about the topic.
This group is shooting for very easy targets and they celebrate like they’ve won hard battles. It’s self indulgent but ultimately unimportant, nothing of value was lost here. If they keep it up long enough and choose a target people are actually willing to fight for, things might turn out differently.
Every accusation is a confession for these sex-negative types. The guy who shrieks the loudest about gender non-conforming people being abominable and vile is usually found 6 months later in Thailand smoking hash and hiring kathoey escorts.
Simple fix is to call in suspicion of child porn on their computers. Their statement look a lot like projection to me.
yeah it’s hard to come to any other conclusion on people who constantly think and talk about pedophilia unprompted.
Anti-Porn people are fascists PERIOD, oh I heard they (as in the group) like cuties.
We need to document these low-lives & make sure they never get employed ever again. (Because it’s what they’d do)
How is being against porn and the porn industry fascism? There are genuine reason to be against porn and it doesn’t have anything to do with fascism. Actually if you think that saying that porn is bad is a fascist statement you are actually portraying fascism in a good light and making them look like they are the most reasonable people. Also “you heard”, “I heard”, those statements mean nothing unless you can prove it.
TERFs are evidence in itself, the fact that they exist even all these years
TERFs are anti-porn?
Yes
That makes sense then that women don’t want to be sexualized and objectified by porn just so perverts can pleasure themselves to their bodies. All the more reason to be against pornography. Women deserve better.
Your understanding of porn is hilarious and generalized to the point of being pathetic.
It’s the truth though. That’s what it does and if you don’t see it yourself then you need some help like seriously because it means you are not even aware of it. Rather than watching porn you can do something productive or do something else you enjoy. Or if you have a wife then you know, do it with her. And if you don’t then maybe go and find one. It’s hard to tell if most people here are addicted or not when they get so triggered when you don’t approve of it. It’s just not healthy at all mentally, you can look it up there has been plenty of studies done on it and the harmful effects it has on your brain. It has even been compared to cocaine and meth.
Yeah, and we all know that women actually don’t like sex, they only want romance and children. They’re all almost asexual beings unless becoming porn and sex addicts. Meanwhile all men are sex-thirsty animals, that only pretend to be in love, so they can get to the fun part. /s
Oh they do like it but that wasn’t my point. My point was that’s how they are often treated by others and porn addiction or just watching it plays a big role in that. Just stop watching other people having sex.
These “feminists” have connections to TERFs, anti-LGBTQ+ groups, and the same NCOSE, that when it was called Morality in Media, labeled non-sexual representation of interracial couples as “pornography”.
If we’re at right-wing appropriation of leftist talking points, then you can also let chuds to call black protagonists in video-games the hard-R N-word, and let them harass indie video game devs until they remove said characters, all in the name or “being anti-corporate”. Maybe even let big AI corporations to scrape intellectual property and then profit off from it, displacing millions of workers (hopefully only until the hype lasts), because “patent trolls” and “Disney has enough copyrighted material to create their own model” (that argument relies on speculation, that a future model can work off of less data, but still creating good results).
So bunch of grannies are behind it. Do they even play games ?
https://www.collectiveshout.org/collective_shout_board_memberspeople who play games usually don’t have time for shit like this and would rather play games in their free time. that’s why whenever you see people shriek about “wokeness” in games it’s always a bunch of incels who clearly never play them. they’re posers.
People are blaming Collective Shout but crazy lobbying groups have always existed. Visa and Mastercard are solely responsible for acquiescing. Maybe it’s time we stop caring so much what people on the political extremes have to say?
Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%" average_expense_per_employee: 39400 Leadership - name: Melinda Tankard Reist role: Founder, Movement Director public_socials: - Twitter: @MelTankardReist - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Caitlin Roper role: Campaigns Manager public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Renee Chopping role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - LinkedIn public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org salary: Not publicly listed - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Coralie Alison role: Movement Operations Manager public_socials: - Twitter: @CoralieAlison - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listeddeleted by creator
Because you have allowed the social discourse to be dominated by authoritarians, and have not supported the voices of your fellows that fight against fascism, you are now being overrun by fascists.
Enjoy. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
Im personally tired of all this incest shit everywhere so I’m down for it.
Funny to see this posted by a user named “Incel migrant”. 😄
EDIT: Do you guys not get a joke? Maybe it wasn’t that good, but still…
… that’s not their username though?
Poor Clement
I chuckled.
“Incel mint immigrant” might have worked better since it doubles down on misreading the name, but I only thought of it because yours backfired ;)
I had a look at their website.
They have campaigned against games that normalize incest and sexual abuse. The first campaign, that led to this one, was against a game called No mercy.
The description, according to their website, is:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Following that they campaigned against other games promoting sexual violence and incest.
Following our successful campaign and 70k petition to get rape simulation game No Mercy pulled from gaming platform Steam, we discovered almost 500 other games depicting rape, incest, sexual torture and child abuse.
How is this a bad thing? Do you lot just hear anti-porn and start foaming around your mouth?
Because letting extremely biased ideological groups dictate worldwide policy is always a bad thing that comes with negative consequences.
I’m not personally familiar with any of the games in this ban wave, but Steam’s stance prior is that these games are free expression of art, made by adults and it’s not Steam’s job to police art. If a group does want to impose limitations on art on a worldwide storefront - that should be a national limitation performed by an appropriate body - Australia already has a stringent games rating system, and if these games do not meet any approved standards they would be hit with ‘Refused Classification’ and thereby restricted to be sold (banned from sale or import) to Australia and Steam would region block them for sale to Aus. As is the case for many games already.
However, this group deemed following the appropriate channels too much work, so instead went for a Karen smear campaign of the payment processors on social media - stating that they supported the sale of rape and incest games (simply by working with Steam), thereby pressuring the payment processors to put lobby Steam to remove the games entirely as the easiest path for Steam to avoid financial processing impacts.
I see where you are coming from. I still think that it is a net positive that they got rid of those games. I quoted the description of one game above. That aint no art. That is just the glorification of rape. And i’m glad it’s gone. Glad it’s gone everywhere in fact, not just in Australia.
Are these good people? Rather not. I still have to see them campaign against queer or trans folk, but seeing their connections that is a valid fear to have.
I will fight for diversity, in any form, beeing part of gaming culture. But i won’t cry a single tear about games that have a glorification of rape and incest as their main topic.
Do you have trouble differentiating between fiction and reality?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No. Do you think fiction about rapeing women is’nt a problem? Have you considered the idea that exposing oneself to said fiction could reinforce a violent and objectifying view of womem? Or normalize rape and sexual violence?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No, and thankfully this is a complete strawman. If one wanted to make that analogy, it might point out how racing games might normalize speeding.
No. I don’t think that. In fact, research says access to porn reduces sex violence.
And again, a stawman.
We are talking about rape porn (games) normalizing sexual violence.
This article is not talking about rape porn. By the way, it is an article from 2016 who uses studies from 2011 and younger. Here is a Meta analysis of the timeframe, suggesting that many stdies suffert from a metholodical weekness.
The question, if violent porn causes sexual violence is debated, but as of now simply not enoth good studys exist to confirm or denie such a link.
This study, for example, hints towards it. It is also a good example for methodological muddiness though:
Data was collected from 247 college men who completed self-report surveys at baseline, 4-month, and 7-month intervals. Higher gender inequitable attitudes, greater problems with alcohol use, and lower levels of responsibility assigned to men for rape mediated the relation between exposure to violent pornography at baseline and endorsement of sexually coercive behavior at the 7-month. Findings highlight the need to address pornography literacy in sexual assault prevention programs for college men.
I can only repeat: there is evidence towards violent porn causing violent behauvior, but it is weak and more studys are needed. Untilh then both of our standpoints are just opinions. Either of us might be right. Personaly, i wouldn’t risk it.
Porn is definitely unhealthy so probably a good thing they got that on steam now? Though that still won’t stop people from going to other sites to get porn games. I wouldn’t go as far as calling them pedos though, porn addiction doesn’t make one a pedo. It does make them sad and lonely though.
Looking at porn doesn’t mean you have a porn addiction. It’s also not unhealthy. Playing a porn game also doesn’t mean you have a porn addiction. It’s only an addiction if it affects your life negatively. Porn gives one pleasure and more pleasure is objectively a good thing, unless it affects you in a bad way, like certain kinds of drugs.
It is unhealthy. Not only does it make it so people have unrealistic expectation in bed (due to watching porn and thinking it should be the same) but also there are always victims in porn and the porn industry is full of human trafficking and minors showing up in porn is not uncommon on porn sites. It’s just damaging to society and no, pleasure is not objectively a good thing. Just because something gives one pleasure doesn’t make it good or even healthy. Life is not all about hedonism.
If you generate expectations from what you see in media they are always going to be unrealistic regardless of what it is. Every industry has its share of scum but you cant throw it all out because of bad people doing bad things. The fault lies within those people not the industry.
Not only does it make it so people have unrealistic expectation in bed That’s more due to shitty sex ed. A good instructor will state clearly that porn isn’t realistic.
but also there are always victims in porn and the porn industry is full of human trafficking “Always” is a big stretch here. Does it happen? Yes. But not always. And it’s better handled through industry regulation than outright banning. All banning would do is drive it underground and make it even more exploitative
The major point of your argument is just an argument against capitalism.
Well, all communist countries have banned porn too. I think you’re getting somewhere now. I don’t like capitalism either because of its exploitative nature. Pornography is just harmful to society.
What communist countries?
Porn is definitely unhealthy
Look at all the countries which block / ban porn.
Now look at women’s rights in those same countries.
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
Correlation does not equal causation. Also if you really think women undressing and doing porn for the pleasure of the men is somehow liberating of makes them free, I don’t think you actually care about women as people. So many of them end up doing this kind of thing because they need money and stuff and never wanted to do it in the first place.
So many of them end up doing this kind of thing because they need money and stuff and never wanted to do it in the first place.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
Also if you really think women undressing and doing porn for the pleasure of the men
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
Says a lot more about you than anything else you’ve said, bigot.
PS: when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
If your job is honestly comparable to that of a reluctant sex worker, you really need to switch jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
This is a completly wrong conceptualization. Porn “stars” often are often locked into filming increasingly extreme and often increasingly violent content. Many are left back traumatized for life.
See, for example, this study.
This article challenges the consumer-centric view of pornography, which overlooks the exploitation and abuse of individuals documented in its production. The lack of conceptual clarity surrounding the nature of pornography obscures these abuses, leading to significant consequences for those affecte
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
About 70% of consumers are men.
when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
Op might or might not be, but i am. Please feel free to back up your claim with data.
If your job is honestly comparable to that of a reluctant sex worker, you really need to switch jobs.
Spoken like someone who’s never struggled.
This is a completly wrong conceptualization. Porn “stars” often are often locked into filming increasingly extreme and often increasingly violent content. Many are left back traumatized for life.
This isn’t the 90s. OnlyFans creators aren’t beholden to an agency, which the paper you linked to mentions about.
About 70% of consumers are men.
30% is still pretty damn big, especially in context of how many human adults there are. That’s still a potential of over a billion people by rough estimate based off a set of 4 billion.
Please feel free to back up your claim with data.
Looking through the comments here, it seems you already have been, but still don’t care.
There’s literally research done on that & it only means porn for men will get banned.
Source?
