Summary
- Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
- Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
- However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe’s top two most-registered EVs.
In fact it’s even more crazy if you consider VW group:
Tesla Total 53,237
VW Group:
VW 65,679
Audi 34,739
Skoda 26,578
Cupra (SEAT) 18,878
Porsche 9,929VW Group total 155,803
ratio 155803/53237 = 2.93
VW group has almost 3 times higher sales than Tesal!!https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-outselling-it-in-q1-ev-sales-in-europe/
PS:
Stellantis:
Peugeot 24,397
Citroen 16,367
Opel 13,612
FIAT 6,825
Stellantis Total 61,201Stellantis manages to clearly beat Tesla too!!
Edit: I forgot FIAT in the Stellantis numbers.
Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
I’ve seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
Don’t want to protect elon musk’s swastikar LLC with tariffs? Must be a tankie! Want to buy a cheap electric vehicle? tankie!
“Anyone who supports Tesla is now a Tankie. Anyone who is anti-Tarrifs is now a Tankie. Anyone who wants anything anti-Trump is a Tankie.”
For the moment he had shut his ears to the remoter noises and was listening to the stuff that streamed out of the telescreen. It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.
Fuck the Tankies fuck communism entirely, I just got back from Cambodia, got an economics degree and like capitalism, China’s a bunch of dickheads.
BYD is going to change the world.
It’s the classic incumbents move slow into new tech. Added with government investment, low labour costs, access to raw materials/adjacent industries, hungry growth focused companies, semi crazy workforce.
I haven’t drove a BYD or even a electric car for that matter but reading the stats things are going to move fast and the rate they move is going to increase. I can see all the west companies largely losing their overseas market, other than luxury, inside cities. The world’s moved on and people don’t realise.
Nice try but true capitalists with economics degrees hate capitalism. There simply is no other system ever attempted.
China’s capitalist move is to operate these electric car companies at or near a loss to push competitors out of the markets which would be unsustainable if they had to worry about human rights in the process.
Plenty of things have been tried.
Like communism has been tried multiple times. Every time was an unmitigated fucking disaster.
Because they present amazing value (at Chinese prices) and really advanced battery technology.
It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit
I don’t go there anymore so I don’t know 🤷
Chinese electric cars are great value.
If you don’t consider the impact that sending yet more manufacturing jobs to China will have in the long run and the fact that they have great value because what China is doing is called dumping and the goal is for them to have a monopoly so they can eventually increase prices without having any competitors.
Yes, China dumps EVs on other markets.
But here are some extra insights to consider about the issue:
- To curb dumping, many countries already have, or are introducing, high tariffs against Chinese EVs. Biden had a 100% tariff on EVs, Canada is 100%, India is 70-100%, the EU is up to 45%, Brazil is ramping up to 35%, etc.
- Around 90% of all EVs China produces are sold in China. So even if EV dumping ends, it’ll have only a minor effect on production
- Dumping is caused by over supply of Chinese EVs at the moment. Some countries, like the US under Trump policies, are deliberately attempting to drive down EV demand, further adding to the issue. And as with all markets, over supply can’t be sustained indefinitely, so it’s predicted that multiple Chinese EV manufacturers will go under or merge. This is normal in evolving markets
- China is innovating much faster with EV tech, especially with battery technology. Meanwhile the US under Trump is removing incentives for EV production and ownership, and causing significant market uncertainty. This will have a far greater effect on Chinese dominance of the technology than dumping
- China is in the majority of countries in offering government subsidies and tax breaks for emerging products, especially on things like R&D and infrastructure
- The US and other countries also dump products on a significantly larger scale. For example, the US government subsidizes corn which is sold to world markets under production cost. Exports of corn from the US in 2024 were ~$14 billion, while Chinese EV exports were under $5 billion
None of this is intended to condone China or any country dumping products, but as a warning about having overly simplified reactions to an issue without understanding the bigger picture.
Maybe the US should subsidize more renewable and battery manufacturing inside its borders.
Oh.
If auto subsidies are dumping, the US has been dumping for ages.
Where did you see me mention that it’s ok for the US to do it?
So, since china is evil and wrong for making an affordable car when elon doesn’t want them to, who is allowed to make an affordable electric car?
Eh… What are you going on about? Dumping is wrong no matter who does it and there’s more than Tesla and Chinese offerings on the market.
That ship has sailed, like 50 years ago
It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4
Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don’t want a car made in China.
(The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
So all BYD has to do is the absolute minimum to make a BEV into a hybrid. So like, a model aircraft engine and a bike dynamo? It doesn’t have to charge the batteries well. And you can put it on a module that can be easily removed. Maybe sell the car with a little display case for the removed module, just to be extra cheeky.
I think EU needs to recognize it as a hybrid, so no.
That seems arbitrary.
I bet it’s not, and that there are clear regulations for it.
That’s the way things usually are with such classifications.
Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.
Yeah, that’s why I suspected it was easy to game.
On my second ID4, and the wife has our first ID3. Lovely cars to drive, will never go back to an ice car again.
Somewhat amazed they’ve rebounded this much given the VW emission scandal some years back. Guess it wasn’t that brand-damaging after all.
Barely made a dent commercially, but put the company in a difficult financial situation where build quality was a bit lower and cars a bit more expensive for a while.
The point of these punishments should never be to kill a company, but to hurt investors, who are ultimately responsible for setting the CEOs agenda.
And, well, VW stock is still down about -80% compared to pre-dieselgate. So I would say eurocapitalism working as intended.
At the time, news reports credited the scandal with forcing VW to start investing in EVs. Without that scandal, they’d still be struggling to get started
VW are all time cunts, but somehow their competition are even cuntier.
I don’t think there really are ethical car manufacturers tbh, but it’s a spectrum for sure…
After Krasnov was elected, all big ticket items are on hold for at least two years. Bravo Volkswagen Group kicking Tesla in the nutsacks. Carry on!
“What a tweest!”
Wow that Herbert Diess guy was right!
Yet teslas stock is skyrocketing….how is this happening?!!?
Same reason Truth Social does. A bunch of idiots praying to their master.
I have always been a Toyota guy, and recently driving a Toyota corolla hybrid made me want that car.
Although I love the positivity, this is more a story about Tesla than VW.
