Summary
- Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
- Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
- However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe’s top two most-registered EVs.
Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
I’ve seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
Don’t want to protect elon musk’s swastikar LLC with tariffs? Must be a tankie! Want to buy a cheap electric vehicle? tankie!
“Anyone who supports Tesla is now a Tankie. Anyone who is anti-Tarrifs is now a Tankie. Anyone who wants anything anti-Trump is a Tankie.”
Fuck the Tankies fuck communism entirely, I just got back from Cambodia, got an economics degree and like capitalism, China’s a bunch of dickheads.
BYD is going to change the world.
It’s the classic incumbents move slow into new tech. Added with government investment, low labour costs, access to raw materials/adjacent industries, hungry growth focused companies, semi crazy workforce.
I haven’t drove a BYD or even a electric car for that matter but reading the stats things are going to move fast and the rate they move is going to increase. I can see all the west companies largely losing their overseas market, other than luxury, inside cities. The world’s moved on and people don’t realise.
Nice try but true capitalists with economics degrees hate capitalism. There simply is no other system ever attempted.
China’s capitalist move is to operate these electric car companies at or near a loss to push competitors out of the markets which would be unsustainable if they had to worry about human rights in the process.
Plenty of things have been tried.
Like communism has been tried multiple times. Every time was an unmitigated fucking disaster.
Because they present amazing value (at Chinese prices) and really advanced battery technology.
It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit
I don’t go there anymore so I don’t know 🤷
Chinese electric cars are great value.
If you don’t consider the impact that sending yet more manufacturing jobs to China will have in the long run and the fact that they have great value because what China is doing is called dumping and the goal is for them to have a monopoly so they can eventually increase prices without having any competitors.
Yes, China dumps EVs on other markets.
But here are some extra insights to consider about the issue:
None of this is intended to condone China or any country dumping products, but as a warning about having overly simplified reactions to an issue without understanding the bigger picture.
Maybe the US should subsidize more renewable and battery manufacturing inside its borders.
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/renewable/trump-administration-cancels-clean-energy-grants-as-it-prioritises-fossil-fuels/119687122
Oh.
If auto subsidies are dumping, the US has been dumping for ages.
Where did you see me mention that it’s ok for the US to do it?
So, since china is evil and wrong for making an affordable car when elon doesn’t want them to, who is allowed to make an affordable electric car?
Eh… What are you going on about? Dumping is wrong no matter who does it and there’s more than Tesla and Chinese offerings on the market.
Right after biden put in his trumpian tariffs against an automaker to protect musk.
That ship has sailed, like 50 years ago
It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4
Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don’t want a car made in China.
So all BYD has to do is the absolute minimum to make a BEV into a hybrid. So like, a model aircraft engine and a bike dynamo? It doesn’t have to charge the batteries well. And you can put it on a module that can be easily removed. Maybe sell the car with a little display case for the removed module, just to be extra cheeky.
I think EU needs to recognize it as a hybrid, so no.
That seems arbitrary.
I bet it’s not, and that there are clear regulations for it.
That’s the way things usually are with such classifications.
Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.
Yeah, that’s why I suspected it was easy to game.
EU is neither as corrupt nor as incompetent as you seem to think.
Maybe you are thinking about USA?