• @Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works
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    2661 month ago

    Yes. Tech billionaires are the ones who stood behind Trump proudly on inauguration day, so let’s start using Canadian/European options. Plenty of them match what those tech companies offer anyway.

    • @skozzii@lemmy.ca
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      I believe this is how we can cripple the US.

      I just switched my services over and there are some great alternatives, we have just been pre-programmed to use the American default brands.

      Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon all easy to replace.

      The only challenging one so far is YouTube, content is just lacking elsewhere, but atleast with adblockers YouTube isn’t getting my money.

      • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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        231 month ago

        As an American I’m here for it and encourage it. These greedy evil fuckers need to be brought down and if we have to burn it all down so be it, so we can rebuild better. What we have now is clearly not functioning for anyone but the 1%.

      • @Arkouda@lemmy.ca
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        51 month ago

        Any recommendations? It seems a lot of my alternatives are turning heel and I would like more options. Preferably ones not likely to turn heel.

          • @RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works
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            61 month ago

            little choice for amazon the logistic company

            Depends on where you live. Here in Germany we have a few alternatives, like “Otto” and a few others with specialisations like electronics. Some of them have a marketplace just like Amazon and they even offer the same cheap chinese crap that Amazon has to offer. So you could feel right at home.

            • @schnapsman@lemmy.world
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              31 month ago

              Can use a website like idealo to search multiple stores at once. I just wish they had a filter to block amazon results.

          • Dojan
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            Amazon is barely a thing here in Sweden. It’s niche drop shipped garbage for the most part, very similar to Wish and the like.

            They have some non-garbage stuff at the same price you find elsewhere.

            They also don’t do logistics here. Utterly useless company.

            • @Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world
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              11 month ago

              Yeah they pulled out of QC so if I wasn’t so close to Ontario they’d be completely useless for me in canada too. Not that I haven’t avoided them for big purchases like computer stuff already, gonna have to look what general marketplaces we have otherwise lol

          • Lka1988
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            31 month ago

            playstation

            The game console, made by Sony, who famously keeps trying to fuck everyone else over?

            • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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              41 month ago

              All game console companies famously keep trying to fuck everyone else over. Sony actually comes off fairly well compared to Nintendo and Microsoft.

              • Lka1988
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                21 month ago

                Sony shipped literal rootkits with their software years ago.

                • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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                  Yes. Twenty years ago. Now take a look at what Nintendo and Microsoft have been doing just within the past couple of years (as well as what they were doing twenty years ago and beyond, since they both have long track records of shitty behaviour.)

                  Yes, Sony is not a good company, but we’re comparing them to Nintendo and Microsoft here.

                • Engywook
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                  11 month ago

                  Jeez, guys… You’re a paleontologist or what? That happened centuries ago.

      • Engywook
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        51 month ago

        TBF, just leaving YouTube would be better. There’s plenty of information out there which don’t need some glorified video hosting platform (books, blogs, wikis and so oh). I really struggle trying to understand people’s addiction to YT…

        • @hddsx@lemmy.ca
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          281 month ago

          I like long form video content from someone who is passionate about a subject

        • @philthi@lemmy.world
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          I use YouTube extensively (I mean, 2-5 hours a day) and 7 days a week for years now; I use it for language learning, there is really nothing better than normal people chatting (to the camera or between themselves) about regular daily stuff that I’m also interested in, to improve comprehension, I’d love to find any source as rich as YouTube. Peertube is hopeless, I tried and failed there due to a complete lack of content (though I do check in occasionally, I’d love if some of my subscribed YouTubers would start publishing on that platform… Though I don’t know if there are any monetary incentives for them to do that?).

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            21 month ago

            I’m specifically talking about the video as a medium to share information, and youtube is the worst, as it’s 99% filled with crappy influencer stuff whose only aim is to monetize people’s time.

            • @philthi@lemmy.world
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              Sure there’s that. I’m just trying to help you understand the viewpoint of some of the people that are heavy users of YouTube, and why there are currently no good alternatives, as you said “I really struggle trying to understand”.

              I’m sure, like me, there are other people with their own alternative valid reasons for using YouTube for enormous amounts of time.

              Just because some of the content on a platform is bad or not to our tastes, doesn’t mean it all is, and it certainly doesn’t mean that the users are wrong for using that platform in a way that suits them.

              I do disagree with the publishing of content that is hateful or deliberately trying to misinform people, and I think YouTube has a lot of that, I’d obviously prefer it didn’t.

        • Comtief
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          It’s not really the same kind of media at all, depending on what you watch. I guess what I look for in YouTube are interesting perspectives, often on things I haven’t even considered. Maybe something like blogs could partially replace it, but I’m not aware of any blogging platforms that have tons of interesting perspectives and things to talk about and actually knows what to offer me. Isn’t blogging kind of dead?

          I used to read books when I was younger, but I have serious attention issues with text-only stuff. And it’s straining on eyes.

      • @redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        51 month ago

        Anyone who can should backup their favorite channels with yt-dlp while you can. Don’t forget to embed the subtitles and metadata. I intend to put up torrents soon and others should as well. If you wish to support the original channel put document with links to patreon or whatever that creator uses.

      • @andallthat@lemmy.world
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        21 month ago

        yes, there are clearly unfair trade practices here. EU has been making money for Google and Amazon, but the US are not using our services. I hear the best solution to this are tariffs: EU users have to pay to use gmail until enough US users start using EU email providers and we rebalance the services trade!

    • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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      71 month ago

      Deleted meta acccount with a note referencing trump and zuck. Not much but its what I had to do

    • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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      1101 month ago

      The real money is in AWS, azure,GCP. No one cares about your iPad. Tariff the big 3 hosting providers and see how quickly shit hits the fan.

      • Yggstyle
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        141 month ago

        Would probably end the Internet faster than China can cut intercontinental cables. I’m here for it but the fallout would be positively insane.

        • Lightor
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          201 month ago

          There are plenty of providers, this is a little reactionary. I’ve worked with a local data center for hosting in every state I’ve lived in.

          • Yggstyle
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            51 month ago

            It’s not about the providers, it’s about the move. Companies will need to migrate their infrastructure to another platform which (let’s be honest) likely will not have the bandwidth / rack space / hardware to support the influx of users. Companies will self host? Okay sure: time to spin up internal clusters, train employees, provision additional bandwidth / connections. And naturally - this will all go off without a hitch. Like flipping a switch.

            And we need to remember that many of these services rely on each other so one goes down: they take each other out.

            • @person1@lemm.ee
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              111 month ago

              inertia is a thing, but just by having new EU projects avoid the big three you’d already have done a world of good to the IT ecosystem.

              • Yggstyle
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                11 month ago

                100%

                Germany is providing an open source solution to gsuite (which I haven’t looked at yet) but am told it’s pretty good. More open and more choice is great.

            • Lightor
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              This is why you give notice; this isn’t an overnight thing. If anything, this would help strengthen and decentralize hosting platforms while giving a huge amount of business to companies to help them migrate. I think the real shake is going to be those locked into provide IP like Redshift or Fargate.

              • Yggstyle
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                21 month ago

                Notice or not any infrastructure change is brutal - even if you go like for like.

                I’m not saying I’m against the idea: I loathe all the centralization and robber barons running around in this era. But switches like these rarely go as planned. If haste is required even less so.

                • Lightor
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                  41 month ago

                  Oh I get it. We made the jump from Google Cloud to AWS, and I’m sure there are companies that are even more vendor locked. But a good example of what people can do when they don’t have a choice is the new PCI 4.0 roll out that has cost companies millions they wouldn’t spend unless made to do so. Will it be a mountain to climb and cost a ton, yeah, but change in the right direction isn’t always easy.

                  I’m with you, it will be hard, and they need a good system for extensions and the like, with a reasonable time line. But this is good change IMO, even if it’s painful.

              • Yggstyle
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                61 month ago

                But you love teams right?! (get the gas can - I’ll get the matches)

                • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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                  11 month ago

                  There is no feature that is simpler than gsuite. So much duplication and needless services and apps.

                  I hate google and microsoft for making me appreciate their product.

            • Rob Bos
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              31 month ago

              Or they’ll just pay the extra money and avoid all that.

              • Yggstyle
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                31 month ago

                That is pretty much how the VMware situation shook out.

                • Rob Bos
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                  41 month ago

                  Yeah, we’ve got on-prem cloud hosting at a university, and moving away from VMware is an ongoing process. Still. Two, three years after the writing was on the wall. They’d rather pay the Danegeld.

            • @futatorius@lemm.ee
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              21 month ago

              That entirely depends on who deeply they’ve locked themselves into a single-vendor set of services. If they used an abstraction tool to hide vendor-specific implementation detail, and were moderately smart, it’d take little besides minor config changes, redeployment and some regression testing.

              Source: I’ve done it.

              • Yggstyle
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                11 month ago

                were moderately smart

                This is mostly the problem in a lot of cases. A lot of companies don’t pay you to be smart… they pay you to be “efficient” which normally means cheap.

                Good and skilled people may be in a lot of these companies… but their hands may be tied in terms of choices.

        • @balssh@lemm.ee
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          191 month ago

          From the ashes maybe a better internet will emerge then. The current one is very dogshit and only going worse.

    • @Petter1@lemm.ee
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      561 month ago

      Don’t just legalise jailbreak (which was never illegal anyway 😂), but force device manufacturers to unlock root as soon as they end support for the device.

        • @486@lemmy.world
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          11 month ago

          How about not letting Google have exclusive rights to the drivers for all the phone hardware?

          What exactly do you mean by that? Google is one of the few companies that let you easily unlock their phones so you can do whatever you want with them.

            • @486@lemmy.world
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              31 month ago

              No, unlock as in: You can install whatever operating system you want. No need for “jailbreaking” on Google phones. They officially support unlocking the bootloader (and re-locking it later as well!). There are many things not to like about Google, but how they handle their phones when it comes to openness is certainly not one of them. Pretty much all other phone vendors are much worse than that (except for maybe a few small ones like Fairphone).

                • @486@lemmy.world
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                  21 month ago

                  You are talking about phones made by Google. I am talking about ALL the phones using Android and how difficult or sometimes impossible it is to use anything but Android.

                  That’s not what you were saying. You were explicitly talking about Google. Also, implying it is Google’s fault that other manufacturers don’t let you install other operating systems easily is pretty bizarre. If you want to complain about that, at least complain about the right companies. Those are usually the phone manufacturers and/or the SoC manufacturers. The SoC manufacturers often times are particularily problematic, since they often do not publish open source drivers at all or in a very limited fashion.

        • Lka1988
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          Because people are stupid, will fuck up their device/s, and then complain to the manufacturer about how their device was ruined.

          It’s an incredibly stupid argument, but it’s their argument nonetheless. Something something “for your safety/protection/security/etc”…i.e. “Trust us”.

          I think root privileges should be available as well, but in a way that 1) only someone who knows what the fuck they’re doing can access, and 2) can be done entirely locally, without calling to a server controlled by the manufacturer.

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              51 month ago

              I don’t disagree, however, there needs to be some form of security so the average Joe (or their kid) doesn’t accidentally press the wrong button and rm -rf the entire device (exaggerating of course, but you get the idea).

              • @raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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                my apologies, I was actually thinking of “unlocking the bootloader”, rooting a device without an unlocked bootloader didn’t even occur to me. And since unlocking a bootloader is non-trivial by design, that would prevent any such accidents.

          • @Squizzy@lemmy.world
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            Absolutely anyone can follow a guide to root a phone, I am an idiot and I have done it. The manufacturer should not be liable for me using the phone in a manner not intended and then breaking it, but they should absolutely have to make it available to do. It should only require signing away liability in a tick box.

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              Exactly, and this also ties into my first point that the people who know, know what to look for.

              I’ve rooted/jailbroken every single phone and tablet I’ve owned over the last 15 years. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I cannot stand the artificial “security” blocks out in place simply because a company thinks rooted users are somehow cheating or committing fraud or what have you - the people who do that are gonna do it no matter what.

        • @Petter1@lemm.ee
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          Yes, of course, but I think, like I wrote it, it is more likely to happen in reality 😁 but of course, I would prefer from the start as well

          Like just hide it in developer settings which as well are hidden. No noob should accidentally go there, but a malicious being may lead a noob there…

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        Then they will offer shit support to avoid doing so. Simpler and safer to just make unlocking legit from the start.

    • esa
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      Yeah, let’s have a go with the ACI (anti-coercion instrument) and see if we can’t make their patents free game. Playing to Trump’s tune is unlikely to work out well

  • @givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    Do it, fuck up Twitter, Amazon, meta, and everyone else that shared a stage with trump.

    The only language they know is $, if trump is bad for their money, they’ll go against trump.

    These are people obsessed with wealth over every thing else, it’s not hard to manipulate them, but when rational adults regain power, we need to tax the ever loving shit out of them because no matter what happens, they’ll always choose “more money”.

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      I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s very easy to manipulate American oligarchs. However, they are relatively provincial and lack the capabilities to deal with truly complex challenges.

      They operate in an environment with no real risk. They’ve never dealt with any real challenges. The US judicial system is a joke (even in China, Alibaba’s Jack Ma immediately regretted going on a public chimp out). US society is either openly supportive of corruption and criminality or lacks the capability (true desire and risk tolerance) to address corruption.

      This is not to underestimate American oligarchs. They are extremely sophisticated and absolutely committed to their “number go up” fetish, but you also have to be real about what they are.

    • Alphane MoonOP
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      131 month ago

      Let’s just hope they move fast and aren’t afraid to break things.

  • @professionalbalkan@lemm.ee
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    This in combination with deregulating the single market and allowing EU tech startup to thrive would finally give birth to real competitors on our continent

    GoEU

  • BarqsHasBite
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    All it takes is a critical mass of users to make their own Facebook. A continental divide seems like a good place.

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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      When America sends their users, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending trolls, shitposters, influencers. They’re bringing Ben Shapiro and Alex Jones. And some, I assume, are good users.

      Edit: The original quote (about Mexicans) is from 2015. Feel old yet?

  • Lanske
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    Sounds like a good idea, hit them where it hurts! I left Big Tech a while ago, but if the EU can hit them with tariffs and hurt people like Zuck and (F)Elon, awesome!

  • @arc@lemm.ee
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    151 month ago

    Should be two pronged - tariffs on cloud and other services while fostering competitive local alternatives. While it’s possible knock up a cloud out of anything there is nothing in Europe as coherent as the offerings by Amazon, Google or Microsoft. And there should be.

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    121 month ago

    For now it’s a lot of mights and very few dids. Just make companies that are that huge to pay higher taxes to operate in the EU. It’s not a tariff is contributing their fair share to the social network of the EU. And ffs, reign in any country allowing these companies to operate in tax havens in the EU

  • IninewCrow
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    101 month ago

    Newspapers, magazines, TV, film, movies, broadcasts are all regulated nationally and internationally

    The same should be done for corporate social media companies who basically deliver all or most news content and information to people everywhere today.

    The current state of the world is like being in the 1900s and only having six major newspapers in the world owned by big corporations and none of the content they publish or share is regulated or controlled.

    • @Scrollone@feddit.it
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      21 month ago

      Why not legalising piracy for media made in the US? Imagine if all movies and TV series were suddenly public domain in Europe…