If the contents of my friends’ group chat got leaked… people would just think we’re fucking idiots, not terrible people.
Good work, Derek. Be better, losers in that chat.
I think that’s obtuse, comedy has no limits: As long as you don’t act upon uncomfortable / morally reprehensible ideas you joke about, you aren’t any worse or better than if you had never joked about it. I would argue that exposing a bunch of people for what they joke about with no evidence that they’ve actually done something wrong is far worse than joking about offensive subjects. (one has zero negative affects, the other has many)
(I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)
Keep in mind the source of this story. The author has every reason to describe the stuff on their group chat sound tame, so if it sounds bad, it’s probably 3 times worse than that.
(I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)
My impression from the original post was that kind of stuff was what drove most of the fallout. Leaked off color memes aren’t going to ruin people’s relationships, but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.
but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.
shit talk and leaking messages is pretty bad, but that’s really common these days unfortunately. I wonder how frequently texts like that are shared between female group chats. Depends on the person, and the group, but they are just more connected.
Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo. Commonality of occurrence certainly doesn’t make it any less wrongful. I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.
i’m not saying it is, but from what i understand women tend to have a more cohesive social group, and tend to talk about things between them a lot more, so it would reason that there is a larger chance of stuff like this breaking out into that conversation.
Men just don’t really talk about their personal lives all that much. And when they do it’s usually shitposting.
Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo.
to be clear, i would generally agree with this, unless it’s understand to be venting/not seriously considered. It might be weird in the latter half, but it’s a lot less rude if it’s an inside joke specifically among a group of people.
I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.
and to be fair, if we’re going full gender difference analysis, i think guys are a lot more likely to have a group chat like this, than women, so there’s that.
If the public got to hear first hand all the black humor that goes on in the EMS field, society might further collapse.
Everyone on here is an insufferable twat.
How do you know that?
Easy, by having an inflated ego and a holier than thou attitude! 👍
derek is still a cunt though. If you join and find shit you don’t like the first thing you should do is confront people. Either derek just likes causing people problems (and is a problematic individual) or he is not very bright and thinks that everything people say must be 100% true and serious.
I would not ever want to be friends with derek, that’s for sure.
If I had to explain some of my in-group chats, it would be complicated and awkward, but not life-destroying.
I think my saved memes are 50/50 funny and concerning
The thing is, on Lemmy these are pretty normal… but for my very conservative grandma who hardly understands what a lesbian is…
You just concentrated 4 top tier shitposts into a single comment.
Well.
Depends on how fash the US turns for me
Me and my buddy have the nuke thing going. Mutually assured destruction 😎
just dont admit to them?
I once had a group chat that got leaked. There’s a possibility that it may have involved some light treason.
Oh no. The consequences of my own actions have come back to haunt me
Ah yes, “cocksucker” as the first insult to come to mind, the sign of a good person
Why is “cuntlicker” not also a common insult? #equalrights
They should both be high compliments imo
I agree, you cocksucking cuntlicking fatherfucker.
I‘d say fatherfucker is still derogatory - after all, it’s still incest. Fatherhugger? Manhugger?
Well, I don’t think Motherfucker should be considered derogatory.
I don’t think incest is implied. Most fathers of 2 kids are Motherfuckers.
You are completely right
If there was a Olympics on it, I want to excel at cuntlicking.
what about it?
It implies that for a man, sucking cock (a legitimate sexual act for any gender) is an insult because that would make him gay. So Homophobic.
imo the pejorative connotation of that word, and homophobia generally, is ultimately rooted in misogyny
Man, I love cocksuckers I’d get me one of those
Dam I thought it was just a thing boring white ppl say. Imma used that retort.
Or you’re Swearingen from Deadwood. /s
I think I know where he got his name now
ok?
So what if i just argued that “cocksucker” just meant that you would suck someones cock if you got you something. I.E. you’re easily bribed/manipulated. As far as i know, that’s how most people use it.
That’s literally the implication like 99% of the time. If you wanted to insult someone for being gay, you would just call them a faggot or something lmao. No need to mince words at that point.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_(slang)#Cocksucker
Just learn a bit before bothering others with educating you. History matters, the way that this slur has been used historically and presently, is mostly homophobic.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
to be clear, the wiki page you explicitly linked literally say it has a historical connotation, and the primary example it lists is from checks notes 53 years ago.
I’m going to hazard a guess that the sentiment has probably changed, a little bit. Since 1972. 1972 to be clear, was 8 years after the passing of the civil rights act. It’s a bit of a different time period now.
anyway point is, i’m not convinced anybody cares about using this as a homophobic slur anymore.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
it’s whatever, that’s how the internet is lol. This thread has been more than amusing for me thus far.
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“Don’t be a bigot” = dystopian future
Sound logic
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“Far-left” and “Democrat” do not belong in the same sentence, ignoramus. Get educated. You can actually read, presumably. Deprogram yourself. You can actually do it. If I could do it at 12, you can do it today
I think you’re getting caught up in the state being abusive and controlling to it’s citizens (as Dump is doing now) and society self-regulating itself for it’s own benefit (something that happens in all social groups) as being one and the same. Just because someone calls out another person’s bad behaviour, that does not equate to supporting a dictatorial, or similarly controlling, leadership.
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I think you need to work on expanding your political theory into more dimensions
Theory? It’s just vibes-based politics with these people. They don’t actually think lol.
Your comment is good btw; I’m not attacking you
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What have far left (or far right, or even centrist) politics got to do with it? This is about what’s socially acceptable. Yes that feeds into politics and left/right/centre opinions, but I’m not discussing politics (nor was the person you replied to). Which ties in with my first comment that you’re combining politics with social issues erroneously.
Ultimately abuse is, abuse, is abuse, no matter how you dress it up.
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First of all, screw the Democrats they are not left wing. They are center right shitlibs, with a few milqtoast standouts like Bernie and AOC.
Second. You correctly look at democrats and see they are just Republicans lite, but your mistake is in thinking that going further left leads to greater power to the state to curtail speech, thought, and action. The left wants liberation. Economic and social. The power of government to celurtail speech is not liberation, it’s oppression.
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Where do they say that they want microphones listening to people? Just because someone doesn’t like some ways of talking, doesn’t mean that they want 1984-style surveillance of everyone.
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Are u OK dude? Take a ride, go to a park or something, breath air. Your mental health is more important than whatever your podcaster tells you.
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Calm yourself, man. You seem a little bit emotional there. How on earth do you presume to know my political affiliations when you don’t even know which side of the fucking planet I’m on? Get a grip.
its because hes submissive. its a power thing not a gay thing
That’s still degrading to fellators.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
find me people who suck cock that actually give a fuck about other people calling people cocksuckers and we can talk.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
nobody is arguing that sucking cock is submissive??? The argument is that being a cocksucker is a submissive thing.
Or you trolling? Or are you actually serious?
its still at the end of the day giving pleasure to another. giving the key word: power thing. its the same atmosphere as bootlicker
If you think going down on someone is only a submissive act you haven’t gone down on someone long enough, or teased them enough.
thats not what i think im explaining the insult
Being submissive in sex can be expressed in a blowjob, but so can being dominant. Most sexual acts can be either dominant or submissive under the right context. For example a person can forcibly (consensually) throw the other person down, pin them to the floor and start going down on them while not letting them orgasm. Is the person being overpowered and forced to be frustrate by not orgasming the one in power?
Your understanding of mutual respect and love is unhealthy if you compare going down on someone to bootlicking.
im comparing an insult to bootlicking. jesus christ you people really feel like arguing over absolutely nothing
Okay but like, in regular penis-in-vagina sex, the man is (theoretically) giving pleasure to the woman while also doing all the work. Is that still power play? Is pussyfucker the same as cocksucker?
pussyfucker isnt an insult ive ever heard but motherfucker is
cocksucker reminds me of the prison mentality of making someone your bitch so thats where im getting the power play from
i mean yeah, pussyfucker if you used as an insult would be quite a weird insult to throw, but it would work i suppose.
Motherfucker is also in the same vein like the other commenter suggested.
So, if you were to replace ‘cocksucker’ with ‘towelhead’, slut, Yid, or Nig*** would that still just be a power thing?
Not that it actually makes a difference. This ‘power thing’ you refer to is controlling abuse for self interest. Introducing a predudice is just a way of trying to justify and/or hide the abuse.
im sorry are we equating cocksucker, and the n word to be on the same level of offensive slur?
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Too lazy to write two separate responses? I’ll try!
“Don’t be a bigot” = dystopian future
Sound logic.
Oh shit, that’s the same message, guess you will have to read it twice, maybe that way it will get through to you.
Tap for spoiler
You can be better, reflect on your bigotry and grow as a person.
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He could have also said “vaginalicker” but he didn’t, he used a well known homophobic slur. Also, if he wanted to say submissive he could have used well known submissive insults.
literally nobody says vaginalicker though? that’s just not the commonly understood variant of “cocksucker”
Pete Hegseth, is that you?
It also feels like something Kavenaugh would have been into.
To narcissists, everything is someone else’s fault.
Is the person who made the comments a narcissist, yes. Is the person who screen shorted it and shared it also a narcissist, absolutely.
“Hmmm should I expose all the offensive photoshops and derogatory things they did said about specific people?” No that’s not narcissist by itself.
They hurt everyone else involved intentionally do to a sense of self richeousness. It’s a textbook definition of narcicism.
If someone calls the person they are going through a breakup with a self richeous dingbat who likes to tear down everyone around them in a private chat it’s not a nice thing to do. It also didn’t hurt that person until Derek brought it to their attention in an attempt to hurt the speaker while upsetting/hurting the person who was called names. Especially digging up things from years ago. These people aren’t running for office, they are kids dealing with life in a place of privacy. The number of people I’ve heard call soneone a little dicked asshole who isn’t good in bed is around 50. Never once would I think spreading that information to them or their friends group would be for the greater good. The person is hurt and lashing out. It’s often best to let them recover and sort out their own situation. If they were making plans to harm someone that’s another story, but that isn’t what happened here it appears.
At the point of sharing photos and Photoshopping someone to ridicule them, this isn’t an offhand comment said in frustration. This is planned and executed ridicule and mockery. He’s exposing them because he thought their “friends” should know who they are and what they are doing. Not for the intent of “hurting everyone else involved intentionally due to a sense of self righteousness”. Whether you agree with what he thought or not, it’s not narcissism (by itself).
It’s also super bizarre that you want privacy for them when they are fucking sharing photos (the context reading they were private) and sharing “raunchy texts”. Where was the privacy for their victims huh? They deserve what they got.
At the point of sharing photos and Photoshopping someone to ridicule them, this isn’t an offhand comment said in frustration. This is planned and executed ridicule and mockery.
i mean, we also don’t know what they are. It could be really bad, but it could also be harmless shitposting among the community.
You can look at the descriptors they chose to use, and that’s very likely playing it down big time. I’m betting it was extremely bad.
yeah, but we also don’t know what they are posting, so it’s equally shitty to assume that what they are posting is substantially bad.
Though assuming by the fallout, it seems like it was pretty bad? But then again i’ve seen friend groups break up over smaller shit.
I thought this was going to be satire about the Atlantic editor being accidentally included in war room group chats. Lol.
Derek sounds like a real one. That poster lacks so much situational awareness they’d fall into an open manhole like in a cartoon.
Wow this must be the biggest group text leak ever.
Shitposting is just pretending to be stupid/racist/shitty for laughs/attention, right? Pretty low form of humor, if you ask me (no one did), but I’m also guessing a lot of shitposters aren’t just pretending.
I like a laugh as much as the next person, but we can’t sit around going “Why are people in this country so fucking stupid/racist/shitty?” while simultaneously elevating “acting” stupid to some high form of humor. You see how that’s counterproductive, right?
“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.” - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
“Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.” - Jason Garrett-Glaser
I don’t think it is that people are saying shitposting is a higher form of humor, but that it requires a level of trust that you know the people you’re shitposting with know you and know you’re joking. Lack of that leads to your second quote.
That’s totally fair, and I agree with you. I probably shouldn’t have used the phrase “high form of humor”. I more meant “worthwhile form of humor”. Even that doesn’t really encapsulate what I mean.
I don’t know. It can be hard to separate brainrot from intelligent comedy, and I laugh at both, myself. I’m not the comedy police or anything, I just don’t want to end up here:
We become who we pretend to be.
Great failure of Pauline (🤡🤡🤡🤡) discourse: actions don’t matter, only faith. Bitch nothing in your head matters, only what you do is consequential. Motherfucker destroyed Christianity before it even had a chance get started
In the 90s, calling yourself a flat earther was a opportunity to have a fun and yet silly conversation about belief in science. During that time, both people KNEW that the earth was round. It was an exercise in creativity and played straight for laughs.
But somewhere in the 2000, some people didn’t realize the satire. They actually BELIEVED in it.
There’s a line of shitposting like with anything.
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
Then there’s actual shitty people who don’t realize that the good shit posts harm nobody. Where shitty people posting disgusting racist things under the guise of Shitposting are too stupid to understand the nuance.
This commenter said it best:
To the people who think what OP did was completely normal and something everyone does, (and I hate to use this phrase) check the “ratio” here. Nobody thinks this is normal. You and OP are in the slim minority spewing vile shit about people in your lives. It’s cruel and childish. You’d be smart to learn from OP’s predicament before you find yourself in the exact same situation with everyone you know hating you because you thought it was perfectly normal to constantly trash talk them behind their back. It’s not normal. Not everyone is doing it. Assholes like OP and apparently yourself are doing it. And it clearly can bite you in the ass. As I said in my initial comment, these kinds of things can have serious real world consequences. So you may wanna wise up and start being a respectable human being ;)
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
I might get cooked for this but it’s just not.
As a person who has been shit posting for at least a decade at this point, 99% of shit posting is either just saying something stupid on purpose or being a cunt to someone.
“Shitposting is an art” is some shit a dweeb says online to make themselves look interesting because “I like to say dumb shit for attention” sounds a lot worse.
Like sure, sometimes it’s funny to be a cunt to someone online (within reason) but let’s not pretend it’s something profound.
Furthermore, the fact that it’s not something profound but just dumbass behavior done for laughs is the reason it can be misunderstood by honest dumbasses.
I’ll defend shitposting here, because I think you’re simplifying it a bit too much.
Shitposting is so much more than “saying dumb stuff for shits n’ giggles”. First of all, as with anything else, there are good and bad shitposts. A good shitpost usually contains a solid undertone of irony or sarcasm. An important part of the humour is not just in “being dumb” it’s about using a statement that is dumb in a very specific way in combination with a specific context in order to create something funny.
Furthermore, a good shitpost uses exaggeration in a good way. The reader should preferably be “lured into” the post, not realising it’s a shitpost, before the notch is turned to 11 revealing that it was a shitpost. This adds an extra layer of humor and social commentary: The fact that the post at first seems believable forces you to recon with what kind of things you would actually believe someone could write. It also makes the target of the humor clear.
Shitposting may not be high art, but calling it “just being a cunt to someone” is missing the mark. “Just being a cunt to someone” is exactly that, and it’s not shitposting.
-fig 1 dweeb online tries to make it deeper than it is
- fig 2 Accurate illustration of “just being a cunt to someone”
Legit, what do you want my response to be to that.
My whole argument was that internet people think shit posting is something profound but it’s just shitposting.
Maybe I should have posted a crying wojak saying it so it’s Real Shitpost™ Art certified.
To be fair, I didn’t expect you to respond at all, and really just wanted to point out that calling a stranger you know nothing about a “dweeb” in response to something they wrote is a prime example of “just being a cunt to someone”. You didn’t need to respond, but you chose to do so by being a cunt.
Regardless, I think you missed some of the sarcasm in what I was writing (which, in hindsight, isn’t very clear). My point isn’t that shitposting is some form of high art. It’s that it’s a form of humor that amounts to more than saying provocative stuff or being a cunt. At it’s best, a shitpost can even contain some social commentary in the same way as caricatures can. Of course, as with all other humor, there are plenty of bad shitposts out there too, which are often just trolls trying to stir up shit.
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Isn’t this a group chat between friends though, so its not an open community where actual idiots are free to just join it.
I play a lot of games that include genocide, like Rimworld, Stellaris, Drox Operative 2, Factorio. That doesn’t mean I am actually going to go out and commit one.
One, nah. Two, you missed the ex getting her privacy violated by OP sharing her texts in the chat.
Tbh this whole thing lacks sufficient context. The guy is probably diminishing what he did, so may well be a bellend. But we don’t really have enough information.
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I suddenly feel better about my group chats, it’s all gay memes, positivity and anti-capitalist revolution.
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
Can’t have my group chats leaked if I don’t have any!
Don’t talk shit about people behind their back. It always has a way of getting out because it’s clearly how you feel when their is no filter in place.
I used to talk shit people to their face and compliment them behind their back. Thought it was cool. Anyways, didn’t work at the workplace.
It’s better to say ‘‘Yes’’ and fail then to say ‘‘No’’ and succeed. Presentation is everything in a workplace.
I would love for my 40k groups five year group chat to be leaked. My theories about Alpharius is valid I tell you.
Nononono, dont go! We haven’t even gotten to the part with Valdor, and the Emperor yet.
I want to hear it!
OK. We start at the beginning. 10000 years before our current date, a boy is born in Anatolia that will one day become known as The Emperor… Wait perhaps we should start 30 million years ago since you also should know about the war in heaven, the fall of the C’tan and the fate on a race known as the Necrotyr.
