And this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
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Hey, that’s not nice, the shit is insulted…
No but really, the Israeli government is absolutely the shit of shits.
Fascism is unpopular. 🙁
Sadly, i’m not so sure that is true these days
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I has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I’m definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. Regardless of their “religion” or lack thereof. That’s brave.
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but let’s not pretend the Palestinians wouldn’t be doing the same given the upper hand.
They lived in peace for hundreds of years before the zionist settler-colonial project. So there’s no evidence that the victims of Zionism can be equated with their oppressors, just because “all religion bad”.
Muslim countries historically have been far kinder to their religious minorities than any european one also.
Where are the Jewish communities that existed for millennia in these countries? Ask the coptics how they feel, ask the Kurds. I’m not trying to defend Israel by any means, but it’s disingenuous af to claim the region was some bastion of tolerance and understanding.
For Palestine specifically, Khalidi’s The hundred years war on Palestine goes over the period of transition from the ottoman empire, to zionist colonization. It goes in-depth into peaceful relations between religious communities for hundreds of years before zionism.
As for the middle ages through the ottoman empire, you can glance over these wiki sections, but its fairly universally accepted that Islamic states were in general refuges and safe-havens for jewish peoples who had to flee christian persecution, or those who already lived in the regions.
Jewish communities have existed across West, Central and South Asia, and North Africa, throughout the middle ages, and until the mid-20th century. They are known as the Mizrahi Jews, and were largely tolerated by Muslim rulers. In fact, Jews in Morocco and al-Andalus (modern-day Spain) worked as civil and military officers for the Moors, and Muslim rule was seen as a Golden Age of Jewish science and art.
It’s not like the Palestinians welcomed them into their homes in the 1930s and 40s, surely not! Religion bad! Go back to reddit you fucking rat
Pump those numbers down. Those are rookie numbers.
Still too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
Brainwashing or just nasty people?
Extreme, overt brainwashing.
Brainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I’d get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they’re proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
No doubt about the genocide.
Maybe I am unfairly judging Americans who support Israel or look down on Palestinians.
But I have so much anger about that I cannot be impartial. Most Americans have had hints they ignore, deliberately. I can’t forgive that
Most people have a very surface level understanding of various political issues. There’s only so many hours in a day, and people choose to use them in different ways. I can’t really blame them for that. I also can’t blame them for the fact that we’re probably one of the most heavily propagandized peoples on earth, with Fox and the right wing news networks being the crowning jewel of such. I can see how it’d be easy to take your infotainment of Jesse Waters smugly “owning” Nancy Pelosi over some stupid fucking bullshit she said or did without ever hearing a real dissenting voice and just stop there. I can’t agree with it, but a lot of the normies I know have made it clear to me that I’m a special case in that regard.
All I know is that if I can blame the average Russian, German, Brit, Serbian, Hutu etc for bad things in history. No force on earth is going to have me give Americans a pass. Especially after the majority of them supported the wars in the Middle East.
It’s a genocide, the clues are everywhere. It’s not an American thing that makes it unique. There are shitty people everywhere mixed in with decent folks.
And it’s fine to not protest or just be quiet. Sometimes that is all one can do. It’s ok to think one is powerless to oppose such things. This is the case for many.
But actual support that is voluntary? No
And I think there is some overlap between our two views. Many of the people who I would give a pass to, are many of the people you talk about
Many people still think “both sides” though
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sure, ill take it but “less than half” doesnt sound very promising.
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You had me in the first half. Then you just had to moralize about genocide not being a valid red-line for you.
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Shut up you ignorant fool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_women_heads_of_state_and_government
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Not sure why that’s relevant, but:
The first democratically elected female prime minister of a Muslim majority country was Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, who led her party to victory in the 1988 general election and later in 1993
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…do you not know where Bosnia and Herzegovina is? It’s a coastal post-Yugo country next to Serbia and Croatia, south of Hungary IIRC. The Bosnian war and NATO intervention isn’t exactly secret knowledge.
Very cool for your 1 country
The USA (the country in question) has zero (0) women presidents elected ever. Not even one. So yeah imma stop reading this conversation lol
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Weaponizing ignorance to justify genocide. Here’s another list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_women_heads_of_state_and_government
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Imagine believing that islamophobia isn’t a fundamental factor in genociding muslims.
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I think that your point confuses islamic state with a muslim majority state. While almost all muslim majority states allow women to vote(even though some only quite recently like saudis), islamic state would be different. This is of course same for any fundamentalist state like a jewish one or christian one. They are incompatible with democracy.
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So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don’t want it then stop supporting Israel’s existence.
Orrrrr, now hear me out, we ratchet up the propaganda, black listing, and police responses to protests. Eh?
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
You can support Israel without supporting what they’re doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
If you are aware of what they are doing, and you provide support to them, that is therefore knowingly providing support to their actions, whether you agree with those actions or not.
Or, if you just meant ‘agree with’ rather than ‘supply’, then I would say that what they’re doing is not something they will ever stop. It’s an integral part of their existence as an imperial Zionist state, they aren’t just doing it for fun, or because of some ‘bad apples’. They have no plan or desire to stop, their history is mostly just this same type of war and besieging repeated, and the USA would probably abandon them and let them collapse if they miraculously did decide to stop, because the US imperial strategy only values the Zionist Regime as a attack dog in the Middle East, a region critical for resource control.
A lot of words to say, it might as well be supporting guns without supporting bullets. There is no realistic situation where guns won’t be used to shoot bullets. They can’t be separated, in reality. Why support guns, at that point? It’s just a comfortable abstract idea in a vacuum.
The name Israel was chosen by the Zionist movement for a reason & reflects what they are doing. By keeping the name, you’re enabling/supporting them.
No, you really can’t: the nature of a thing is what it does
Israel is what it is doing. It was founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
You can support israelis by sending them back to Poland or to hell.
It should read “zionists” not “Israeli” - for multiple obvious reasons.
A large portion of US zionists are white Christians who have no connections to the middle east other than their doomsday prophecy.
