This is the tragic truth.

The most frustrating part about it is that withholding votes was framed as a principled position. And I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. How many of those people who declared that they wouldn’t vote for the democratic ticket because of their action/inaction on Gaza actually did anything more than posting rants on social media? How many raised funds for aid? How many organized rallies, protests, or educational outreach? How many even so much as contacted their representatives?

It is either naivety or complacency to believe that national policy should change just because you and your friends sent around some memes. And it is callous indifference to base your vote on a single issue and then claim that you’re inhabiting the moral high ground.

If you yell into the void, you shouldn’t expect a response. And if you believe in an issue, either take action or acknowledge that it would be staggeringly arrogant to expect other people to put in work that you yourself won’t do.

I think most of them were state sponsored psyops or really shit trolls. I don’t think most actual real marginally rational thinking people would have such a dumb af take.

That’s just self-indugent tribalist scapegoating using an argument which is circular and self-disproving.

• If there were too few people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to affect the vote, which is would justify the decision of the Democrat leadership to not do anything meaningful to agree with the demands of those voters (Biden pausing his own decision of sending 2000lb bombs is very much a “I’m saving you from myself” moment), then you can’t really blame those few people for the Democrat loss since there were not enought of them to make a difference and something else made the Democracts lose, so the fault is in the strategy followed by the Democrat leadership on other subjects.
• If on the other hand there were so many people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to result in the Democrats losing the vote, why did the Democrat candidates not go after that vote? Again, the blame is down to the choices of the Democrat leadership: it’s always easier to change what a handfull of people do than to change what millions do, so for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to change their position with regards to supporting Israeli in its Genocide would be far more logical to expect in that scenario than for such a large slice of the electorate - millions of voters - to change their position instead. Even if one thinks “our leader’s position is more important than that of millions of people so it’s the millions who have to change their positions, not our leader” (a bootlicker’s mindset, BTW), it’s still incredibly stupid to go with “we’re going to convince millions to change their position rather than just that one guy” as a strategy so the blame still rests with those who chose to go with it.

All I see here and now is people making a pseudo-“argument” that is entirelly reliant on the axiom that “the boss is always right” to manage to somehow blame millions for something which the “the boss” could have (per the part of that very same pseudo-“argument” which claims it was the people who were against the Israeli Genocide that sawyed the vote) easilly avoided by just meaningufully changing his position on just that one subject. That presumption that the leaders are blameless and it’s the peons who are to blame for not being willing to follow the leaders no mater what they were doing, is a 100% subservient mindset.

If you’re going to assign blame for Trump, look at the handful of people in the Democrat Party who chose to do things in such a way that the results was that millions of their own electorate chose not to vote for them, thus delivering the election to Trump.

I really tried to tell them, but the propaganda is insane.

One way to end a genocide is to 100% the ethnic cleansing.

People who still believe you have to choice either between red and blue are delusional.

They’ve already made inroads into the West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon, right?

This is exactly what we told people who wouldn’t vote for Harris because of “gEnOcIdE jOe” bullshit.

What that things would continue on as they have been for well over a year now? Where is the “leopards ate my face” aspect of this?

Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried.

What efforts were those? Strongly worded phone calls and “red lines” that were constantly crossed and redrawn, while simultaneously standing alone in blocking UN and NATO resolutions against Israel?

who is going to outright empower the genocide.

Can you explain how a genocide that we’ve been actively supporting for the past 15 months is now being “empowered?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

The previous government allowed this genocide to happen, the current government is making plans to keep it going. Perhaps you will now understand what people have in mind when they say that both parties are the same and to look for alternatives.

Genocide Joe

Biden did not try. Palestinians were doomed either way

Trump appears to have pushed Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire, which Biden failed to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the delivery of these bombs was part of the backroom deal between Trump and Netanyahu which led to the ceasefire.

I don’t know what will happen after this ceasefire expires, but until then it’s a little early for those who criticized Biden’s policy on Israel to criticize Trump’s.

Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country’s bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

Lol, down vote all you like. I’m just telling the truth.

I think of the millions of “pro-Palestinian lemmings”, there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.

I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to “Israel” since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you’re just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.

Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you’re doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.

P.S.:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

As someone who’s actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.

I’m here but I’m not United Statesian so I can’t vote in your elections (even though US foreign influence is so aggressive it feels like I should have a say).

Oh no, I’ve upset some MAGA weirdos. Gonna lose sleep over that.

No one said Trump would stop it. We said that Biden/Harris shouldn’t be enabling it.

And that made centrists very, very angry.

When does STAR voting start in your state blue conservative?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/

When would the killing stop under biden (or harris who was happy to continue his policies)? Pausing one fucking shipment isn’t the amazing stand for life that you think it is. Sure though, blame it all on Palestine and not the democrats refusing to listen to voters (on many issues, not just this one) during a fucking election. I’m sure if the other pro-genocide candidate got in, we’d all be living in fucking paradise.

Harris would have done the same thing

He was entirely unfit to hold office and ruined the democrats chance of winning the election

Next question

Do you realize that this kind of statement spits on solidarity with anyone but cynical centrists?

I don’t know if you actually understand how much you isolate yourself.

Do you think this is going to make conservatives like you who hate palestinians?

Do you think this is going to make people more progressive in their politics than you like you?

Perhaps you believe you are the voice of some less vocal silent majority and those people will find solace in your words? (where I don’t know)

For awhile maybe they will but you are on a quickly disappearing sandbar…

Honey, the thing is when you scream into the void like this with nothing but acidic cynicism, people begin to back away in disgust.

Getting that Final Solution to the Palestinian genocide.

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Make no mistake if they think twisting the algorithm is going to make the voices of the left less disruptive they have no fucking clue what it is like to fight people who believe in their beliefs because they ernestly think they will help and save people.

We were going at Biden and Harris with kid gloves on because we knew Trump was going to be much worse, but the kid gloves are off and leftists will do everything up to and including dying for what we think is right… because we aren’t full of shit like the cowards in power are.

I dare them to kick us out of social media conversations, we are just going to become more radicalized into taking direct action instead of asking nicely.

Of those of us that voted, whether Harris, Stein, De la Cruz, West, etc. - everyone we voted for lost. The candidate you voted for was also complicit in genocide, whereas ours wasn’t. We failed as a collective. If we could take every single one of those votes, and coordinate them towards one candidate, the best scenario would NOT be Harris, because she’s a fucking lying psychopath. That’s not even radical, this is civics 101 - you have a fascist movement you want to defeat, organize, find the best path, follow the best path, in unison. Not some middling ass piece of shit war criminal that the television told you was the top choice.

Where is this take simultaneously coming from for everyone?

Guys. NOBODY. THOUGHT. TRUMP. WAS. BETTER. Now we can finally acknowledge that the American so-called “left” political party is so obscenely fucked that they’re complicit in genocide? Literally the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Perhaps we as a people do not really have a lot of choice going on, and impotently choosing between two fascist parties election after election is not going to gradually bring us to democratic reform?

Trump has delivered a ceasefire that was always clamored for.

See this thread for why D’s will never learn, and do not deserve to govern. Still blaming everyone they failed to motivate.

“You should have accepted the continuation of the slow D genocide. Now you’ll get the extra double R genocide, and it’s all your fault!”

This is why progressives abstained; to let Trump destroy the corporate-whore duopoly and charade of “democracy” in America. It wasn’t under some fantasy that R’s would be better for Gaza, America, or the planet. It was because the D’s are captured by the corporate oligarchy — thus will never offer meaningful change — and spent the last few decades helping the R’s sow the seeds for fascism, building the surveillance state and MIC, destroying the financial and housing security of the working class, etc.

Eventually some victims will stop accepting the abuse, and lash out at their abusers; even if it means much worse abuse or death.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Hope that helps!