If I’m remembering right, wasn’t this specifically developed to assist in helping to better identify victims of human trafficking?
Yep. Found it.
Boy that would seriously mess with the narrative of this comment section if that were the case
Edit: oh no
It’s been used by people for nefarious purposes, regardless of its original intent. Both perspectives are valid.
edit: sexist horseshit is not a valid perspective.
What sexist horseshit are you talking about?
wasn’t this specifically developed to assist in helping to better identify victims of human trafficking?
The author of the article you linked doesn’t seem to believe that.
The creator stated their intent, and the author disagreed. Does that opinion make the creator’s statement untrue?
It’s a weird situation & definitely a slippery slope. Was it his intent? I honestly can’t say. I guess it’s certainly a possibility.
I don’t think this kind of app is harmful in itself. This kind of thing can & will obviously be used/weapon used by stupid shit-heads for their own agenda, but those kind of people will utilize literally anything that exists to justify their shit-head views.
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It’s wild that hundreds of years ago, high society women would wake up to put on makeup. They’d literally never be seen without it. Waking up at crack ass morning, wear makeup, then make breakfast.
My wife and I went for a walk and she didn’t even wear a bra.
Life is great.
There are plenty of women who live like this now. It’s a cultural thing, not a timeline thing. I had a roommate in college who would wake up before dawn to do her makeup so nobody would see her without it.
(Also high society women certainly didn’t make their own breakfasts… well, ever, but especially not hundreds of years ago)
And depending on the era, certainly in England, many high society people didn’t get out of bed until 11am or midday.
I love when your wife doesn’t wear a bra. It does make life great.
We all love this guy’s wife
hun, step outside, I need to see if I need to bring a jacket…
Why have so many people down voted this? Do they not get it, or do they just hate nipples?
Having probably not seen a naked woman, I guess they don’t get it
“Whoa. They get… naked? What, you mean like in front of you?”
only if you barge in on them changing, like any good married man does
i like the idea that high society women would make breakfast, maybe they’d play at it but the actual breakfast would be made by lower class servants.
This doesn’t look like a woman without makeup, it looks like a woman with makeup with a filter over her face.
Yep, looks like it was fooled by the fake contour on her right cheek.
Please don’t roast me here, but why is wanting to know what someone looks like without makeup such a bad thing? I’ve never even thought about it before, so please don’t take this as advocating for it. It just doesn’t immediately occur to me what the problem would be.
I get why it’s gross to have an app to remove clothing, but makeup feels like a different category.
What about an app that changes or removes hair? Or one for sunglasses/jewelry?
Are they all gross in some way that I’m missing? Is it creepy to remove makeup from photos but not creepy to remove earrings?
On the surface it seems reasonable, but it tends to have misogynistic undertones, especially if said towards strangers.
It’s like when the paparazzi publishes photos of celebrities with no makeup without their consent. If her makeup skills are good, she gets accused of “deceiving” people about her real age/looks. If her makeup skills are bad, she just gets called ugly.
It’s kind of creepy to do anything to a photo without consent. I’m a dude with plugs, and it’d be a little off-putting if a stranger I didn’t know digitally removed my ear rings to see what I’d look like.
This is how I present myself. You can see me without ear rings or makeup when I want you too.
Definitely thought you meant hair plugs at first, and that there was an app to give you male pattern baldness.
You don’t need an app for that, you just shake the board a little and the metal shavings fall to the bottom. You just have to use the little magnet stick to grow it back where you want!
Oh Wooly Willy, you scamp!
We saw a Wooly Willy in a store recently and my daughter got bored and walked away while I was explaining it to her.
These damn kids today with their tablets and their Nintendo Switches and their ADHD…
I like that you asked. While I don’t hold a strong opinion on it, I think you could argue that it is about consent.
I will argue more strongly than I feel because I think it helps to understand the point. (Assuming the person wearing makeup is a woman)
If you don’t know the woman, why do you care if she wears makeup and how she looks without? It seems like there isn’t a legitimate reason for it without it being a toxic reason, like “look! she isn’t prettier than me!” Vibe. Which is toxic for both people. Now it was a man who made the app. Now there is the hating of women for wearing makeup reasons but let’s ignore those. (Case: Unknown feelings of the woman)
If you know the woman and you don’t know how she looks without makeup, then that is clearly a decision made by the woman. Why do you have the right to expose her in a way that she doesn’t want to be. I mean some women don’t care if you see their tummies and others would rather die. Should you have the right to expose a woman’s tummy? (Case: Implied decision to not show herself like that)
If you know the woman and you want to argue that you have a justified interest in how she looks without makeup because she is a potential Partner (if she is a partner, you probably know already anyway). You could easily argue that you have the same legitimate reason to see her naked but obviously you wouldn’t think that it is a legitimate reason.
In other words, you shouldn’t care and it is kinda toxic to care; you don’t have consent to see them like it otherwise you would; you have no right to know.
I don’t know. I’ve seen a few examples of women who have radically changed their looks via skillful application of cosmetics.
I don’t know what to do with that. On one hand, society expects them to use available techniques to change their appearance to meet standards of beauty very few can ever accomplish. Otoh, it’s dishonest because irl they’re not who they seem to be, so an app that shows them without makeup might be useful. But the catch-22 is that the app may not be right, or that we judge too harshly based on an unattainable standard.
Man, Beauty is fucked up in the West. CGI, photoshop, photo manipulation have destroyed reality in favor of manipulating what desirability is.
Man, Beauty is fucked up in the West.
Its no different in the East.
Let me tell you, Western women put make up much lighter than East Asian women.
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Snapchat’s offered that for years, though generally you get consent since you’ll point the selfie camera at yourself and a friend.
Hmm:
-> thinking about somebody naked
Widely accepted if you don’t talk about it
-> Photoshopping somebody naked
Widely despised (w/o consent). Maybe it’s too linked to the release at some point of the images. but I have a feeling even if no one ever posted that stuff, we would still feel icky about it.
Interesting, something is icky but I don’t know why
It’s not like we wear makeup as some devious plot to trick men and hide our real faces instead of you know, to look good for ourselves. Besides, I don’t think I look that different without makeup, sometimes people just ask if I didn’t sleep well last night if I don’t.
Anyway, if people really cared that much to see their favorite actress (me) without makeup, would you be interested in getting a copy of “Barbie”, now available on Blu-ray and select streaming services?
(and there’s “The Wolf of Wall Street” for the naked part.)
Thanks, Margot Robbie. You are a pillor of Lemmy society!
You’re welcome, Agent641.
Also, that’s esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
I might be the minority group here, but I prefer my wife without makeup. After our second date I told her I’d rather see her face as it is, than it be hidden under a mask. Everyone has flaws, it’s what makes us unique and there is beauty in that alone. She hasn’t worn makeup since and were pushing 2 decades of marriage now.
i mean you can apply makeup that doesn’t look like a mask, it’s the old adage of “if you’re not aware of it, it’s done right”
I’m in no way saying that someone shouldn’t if they want to. I do understand that it’s possible, I just prefer my wife without makeup, that’s all.
sometimes people just ask if I didn’t sleep well last night if I don’t.
I’ve heard this is a thing.
I’m a dude, I never sleep well. Anytime I look in the mirror, I can certainly tell that I didn’t sleep well, but I’m almost never asked about it.
I went for a sleep study earlier this year, I’m meeting with a doctor to discuss the findings in a couple of weeks. Hopefully I can get better sleep soon…
Even with that being said, it would be nice if someone cared enough to ask about it. At the same time, I can also see that getting asked that question a bunch, regardless of how well you slept, would be pretty annoying.
IDK. Everyone asks what I’m doing, never how I’m doing. It’s fine. I survive.
I can certainly tell that I didn’t sleep well, but I’m almost never asked about it.
But you’re probably also not told things like how you should smile more any time you don’t look cheery enough.
Man’s appearance just gets criticized less than women’s appearance.
This is true but it also goes hand in hand with men’s health being an equivalent level of disregarded.
Unless your obviously physically injured, your problems are simply not important to people. Emotional distress, mental health, and pretty much any discomfort/pain/feeling that isn’t associated with a physical injury is generally bushed off and anyone who tries to be heard about it, generally gets ridiculed by their peers.
Obviously family/friends can be an exception to this rule, but co-workers and acquaintances generally just tell you to stop whining and get back to work.
It’s a trade off. People who present as female generally get too much of people’s attention to their personal situation, while those presenting as male get far too little.
There are obvious problems with both; for men, issues can be ignored to the point where you are actively being harmed by inaction, meanwhile, people always and overly concerning themselves with the well-being of women, can be equally harmful. Most of the time it’s the same kind of harm, usually both mental and physical, but it varies from case to case, regardless of gender.
I’m not saying any of it is right, at all, nor am I endorsing any of it. I just want people to care about others equally regardless of how they present themselves, their gender, or what’s in their pants, but don’t concern yourself with others so much that you’re actively doing them harm either.
The self promotion on obscure forums for a handful of up votes and assumption that you are people’s favourite actress makes this account look more like someone pretending to be Margot Robbie, rather than it being genuine.
That’s what she WANTS you to think
Like I always say, it’s not astroturfing if you don’t get caught!
My wife almost never wears makeup. Basically only for things like job interviews.
And I don’t like how she looks in makeup, so I’m fine with that.
Same, I’m really grateful she has no interest/desire to wear makeup. It was also nice to know what her face looked like from day 1, which is what this app is meant to facilitate.
The more I think about it, the stranger the notion of ‘gatekeeping her real face’ behind a full-on relationship sounds to me, lol.
P.S. lol, I just remembered reading an old ‘hack’ for this years and years ago: make a water park your first outing together.
I developed methods which can tell you what women think too. It’s called Talking2M. It’s fun, mostly 3d, open world scenarios, sometimes multiple choice answers …
More details to come soontm with version 1,1b. Btw: Get a life!
The sad thing is that’s basically what people like Andrew Tate get notorious for- A man telling other men what women think.
I’ve never heard of a major female influencer telling lonely incel types how to get a girlfriend. But then I suppose she would be telling them to do things like “listen to what she’s saying” and “care about her problems” and that’s not what they want to hear.
I’ve never heard of a major female influencer telling lonely incel types how to get a girlfriend.
There’s a few, but they say the same shit the male influences say. It’s pretty rough watching a 27 year old single woman telling men about The Wall.
The Wall
The Berlin Wall? Pink Floyd’s The Wall? The US-Mexico border wall? More details, please.
The “wall” women hit when they turn 25. I’m not gonna delve into the details but incel influences like them… Very young.
Thanks, that’s enough details.
Why would they drive their customer basis away? A lot of female influencers is basically soft porn. And it is the type you get pushed on the platforms and that have million of followers. Not the women focusing on their hobbies or societal issues or other actually interesting stuff.
To add to both your posts, a pretty good general rule is: don’t confuse famous with knowledgeable.
The only knowledge they’ve proven is of “how to become known in a specific domain”, which at least in social media is mainly about self-promotion (and more generally it’s about grifter skills) rather than specific domain knowledge.
So yeah, the likes of Andrew Tate will do it by looking confident whilst telling tons of bullshit and plenty of female influencers will do it by looking good and showing some skin - they’re good at self-promotion online but that doesn’t mean they know shit about anything else.
I don’t know that soft porn for men and “listen to a woman and acknowledge her problems” really go together, but if one of them tried it, it might work. Something tells me the people watching her would just watch someone else instead. They’re not watching for dating advice.
I think I may have tested a Beta version because I get responses like:
- You know what you did.
- Empathise don’t sympathise.
- What should I wear.
- Be more spontaneous.
- Don’t plan without me.
Classic app developer: Creates a problem for a solution.
the eye color change is suggesting women wear eyeball makeup?
Also: I’d love to run Donald Trump through this
I only wear a tiny bit of eyeliner, so checkmate men, what you get is what you see.
And most men thank you for that and wish all women were like that.
I don’t care what men think. I’m 50 and I’m all done with what men think.
Real & based
Given how prevalent make up is, especially with how many stories i heard of women struggling in the office when they did not put on makeup that specific day, how the behavior of random strangers changed etc. that is not true. There are some men, but definitely no the majority.
My wife’s opinion is that most of the pressure comes from other women and old men.
If you always wear makeup and one day you don’t people will notice a change for sure
women struggling in the office when they did not put on makeup that specific day, how the behavior of random strangers changed etc.
It’s simply the difference that’s being noticed, and no one’s really at fault for that, on either side. Any woman who never wears makeup is also never going to get the same ‘are you sick?’ kind of reactions on any given day she doesn’t wear makeup to work.
No one here is talking about how the woman in the picture looks the same in both photos? Am I missing something?
The skin looks less “flat”/“clean” the face is more pale, the dark rings under the eyes are more noticeable, the lips are less red and the eyebrows are weaker.
However this is going to be extremely flawed, as it has to make assumptions about which parts of the face are made up and which aren’t, probably exaggerating what it has to “correct” for. Also i wouldn’t be surprised if this will struggle immensely with non white faces.
The photo on the left is with makeup; the photo on the right is without. On the leftmost image the lips are more saturated and have more defined edges and there is more shadow around the eyes.
it’s like they just selected lips and cheeks and slid the “Reds” slider down
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Could you quantify “sometimes”? Asking for my wife
Anniversaries, birthdays, and Christmas
“sometimes”…
#nofliter
There was an attempt
FYI:
Renders as
#text
To get
#text
You have to type
\How does it render for you? Because in my app, both look the same. Only with a space after #, it is huge and bold:
text
Interesting, I just did some more experimentation, and it seems to vary by app. In Eternity, Sync, and Summit, both ‘
’ and ‘’ are rendered as a header. In Thunder, Boost, Voyager, and Connect, only ‘’ is rendered as a header.
