So I’m talking about playing previously Windows-only games on Linux, e.g. via proton.

I don’t know about the libraries etc that are used - is it possible for Microsoft to use some legal voodoo, for example, to suddenly end it all, and make the use of their libraries illegal (if they belong to Microsoft in the first place)?

Or could there be other ways of interference?

  • @AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca
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    1231 year ago

    Proton is built on top of wine for windows compatibility. The wine project has been very careful to independent build its compatible versions of libraries. There should be no Microsoft code in wine.

  • @hperrin@lemmy.world
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    The Wine and Proton devs claim that all of the code has been reverse engineered and written from scratch to simply be compatible with the Windows APIs. Unless that claim is false, or Microsoft has a patent over any systems they are recreating (which is unlikely), there’s nothing Microsoft can do legally. If they did have a patent, getting around it probably wouldn’t be too hard.

    • @lluki@feddit.de
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      81 year ago

      A similar case was google reimplementing Sun/Oracle Java APIs. Which has been deemed legal after all.

    • Random Dent
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      41 year ago

      And even if they did, it could only really stop Steam from officially distributing it. There are already people like GloriousEggroll making their own versions of Proton, so realistically it’d probably just become some sort of unofficial underground thing that you can still get from anywhere I’d assume.

      • @ahal@lemmy.ca
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        31 year ago

        Eh, that would kill the steam deck though and then developers wouldn’t be testing their games out with it nearly as much. Sure proton would still exist in some capacity but it would be way shittier.

  • @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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    201 year ago

    If MS could take down WINE, they’d have done it long ago. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to and won’t constantly look for ways to do it.

  • @YourAvgMortal@lemmy.world
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    101 year ago

    Not really. While Microsoft can (and does) develop newer frameworks and features integrated into the OS that can break compatibility with existing versions of proton and wine, these changes wouldn’t affect existing games or games developed with the older frameworks.

    And even if a new game is developed for these new incompatible frameworks, they will only remain incompatible until proton is patched to support them.

  • Random Dent
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    81 year ago

    Maybe Gamepass if it got big enough?

    I think Gamepass installs games to an encrypted location so you can’t go in and access them for mods etc. (someone will correct me if I’m wrong I’m sure, I don’t have Gamepass but I think I read that somewhere), and Microsoft owns a lot of big titles now (everything from Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda etc.) so presumably going forward they could make those incompatible with Proton.

    That’s a lot of ifs though, and they presumably wouldn’t be able to do anything about older games that are already out there, and that’s assuming that pirates don’t just figure out how to crack them, they are a clever bunch.

    • moving to lemme.zip.
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      31 year ago

      When I was using windows, I couldn’t even delete the folder the games were in. Even after I changed permissions with all of my power…

      • Doctor MoodMood
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        omg! I had this same exact shit happen when I tried to delete the game folder for a game pass game. I spent literal hours escalating permissions, shifting ownership around and banging my head against the desk. Nothing from within Windows allowed me to gain sufficient power to delete that folder. That made me realize I didn’t own the computer I was using, Microsoft did. Live-cd booting into Ubuntu made for a quick resolution, though.

        • moving to lemme.zip.
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          21 year ago

          Yep that’s was my solution too. Same conclusion. And then while I was on that same live CD session, I said “meh, why not just switch if I’m using Linux to do my computing anyways…” Now if only I could do the same with my cellphone…

  • zelifcam
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    1 year ago

    Universal Windows Platform (UWP)

    These apps are from their AppStore will not run with proton. If Microsoft decided to Xbox’ PC gaming, I think that would warrant concern.

  • @thezeesystem@lemmy.world
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    41 year ago

    Tbh I don’t think they care, I mean the government is pretty much reliant on Microsoft products like Outlook and Excel. So yeah they could if it became a enemy, but sense they can like cuckold the government to do things, it don’t really matter much.