• IninewCrow
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    301 year ago

    GOP is just jealous because they have a hard time trying to pull off the same stunt in the US

    • Bakkoda
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      That’s literally all this is. He can fix an election and they can’t even really pick their own fuckin candidate.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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    I love how all the western polling in Russia before the election shows that Putin has over 80% approval, and now all the western media acts like it’s shocking that he got around that in the election. For example, here’s an example from CNN just a few days ago

    But Putin undoubtedly has reaped the rewards of a political landscape tilted dramatically in his favor. The Levada Center, a non-governmental polling organization, consistently reports Putin’s approval rating at over 80% – an eye-popping figure virtually unknown among Western politicians, and a substantial increase on the three-year period before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/europe/putin-russia-election-explainer-update-intl/index.html

    Absolute clown shit.

  • @rustyfish@lemmy.world
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    As stupid and fucked up the US elections are, that doesn’t give you the right to do something objectively worse. Shit up.

    Edit: I decided to not correct that typo.

  • Red Army Dog Cooper
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    There is no Democracy in the Untited states… there is a Facade of a Democracy while at BEST it is an Oligarchy.

  • @naturalgasbad@lemmy.caOP
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    The only difference between the Russian and US system is that instead of having one big party whose interests are entirely separated from the public and which completely crushes any opposition parties, we have two big parties whose interests are entirely separated from the public and which completely crush all opposition parties.

    A sham democracy if there ever was one, but that’s because the purpose of indirect democracy is less to decide on policy and more to select a strongman leader that’s most appealing.

    The Russian election was “rigged” in that there was only controlled opposition… But this is also not an inherently unique feature. When was the last time a US President was neither Democrat nor Republican?

    • _haha_oh_wow_
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      The US needs ranked choice voting badly, but to say the only difference between the US and Russia is the two party system is just straight up incorrect. Opposition leaders and dissidents do not get regularly assassinated by the government in the US for starters.

      • @freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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        That’s because none of the opposition leaders are actually threats. They killed plenty of opposition leaders while your parents were alive, though. Martin and Malcom are the two most obvious ones.

        But before that, when there was a labor movement, lots of people got killed for being on the wrong side of power.

        And finally, the USA doesn’t have a USA out there funding and inculcating opposition leaders, connecting them with spies and mercenaries, and building movements to create a coup.

        • davel [he/him]
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          while your parents were alive

          If you’re making assumptions about the aliveness of someone’s family, please don’t.

      • @naturalgasbad@lemmy.caOP
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        What opposition leaders? What dissidents?

        Two of the top university presidents in the country were taken down after daring to question the common narrative on the conflict in Gaza.

        A whistleblower for a government defence contractor was just assassinated in the middle of legal proceedings against that defence contractor.

        Whistleblowers are hunted after: Assange is struggling to avoid extradition and Snowden is stuck in Russia after being pressured to leave everywhere else.

        Meanwhile, even legitimate presidential candidates like Sanders are given every disadvantage, most notably in terms of (a lack of) funding and superdelegate votes in primaries.

        • _haha_oh_wow_
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          111 year ago

          What opposition leaders? What dissidents?

          I can’t take you seriously at this point, we have protests here regularly and people speak out against the government like it’s a hobby. To imply otherwise is farcical to say the least.

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              To the same extent this is true in both Russia and China, yes.

              No.

              Not even close.

              Neither of those countries have constitutionally protected free speech and they both regularly disappear their people, even in other countries.

              • @freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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                Said unironically despite the USA having euphemisms like “extraordinary rendition” and “black sites”, within days of a whistleblower being found unalived, while the USA seeks extradition of Assange and can’t guarantee they won’t kill him, while Manning rots in a cell and Snowden is living in exile.

                • _haha_oh_wow_
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                  I’m sorry, are you trying to suggest that the US government offed a whistle blower for Boeing??? Why would they even do that? To what end?

              • @kookaburra@lemmy.ml
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                Neither of those countries have constitutionally protected free speech

                Article 29 of Russian constitution and Article 35 of Chinese constitution prove you wrong.

                • @Holyginz@lemmy.world
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                  Lmfao and I can write on a piece of paper I’m the king of France but at the end of the day it’s just a piece of paper with writing on it and no enforcement. They have it written on the constitution so they can say they have it, but then the ruling party does whatever it wants.

                • @CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
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                  Oh, true! Perhaps someone could remind russki police of that next time they’re being arrested for holding a blank sheet of paper. Y’all sound dumb as hell.

          • @PastaCeci@lemmy.ml
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            The son of someone involved in a literal fascist overthrow plot in the 30s became the head of the CIA which takes over governments then the President. His son then stole an election and allowed 9/11 to happen

              • @PastaCeci@lemmy.ml
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                You live in a fascist country that the CIA literally overthrew the government of then instituted a crisis which ushered in a police state. Lots of people disappear and you don’t know because they run your media. Your country maintains black sites around the world including Guantanamo Bay. Your electrify the balls of people and say welp we tortured some folks. You don’t hear about it because whistleblowers regularly wind up dead. Consider yourself lucky that you are white passing enough or have enough money that you are protected from this and get to live in a bubble.

                Death to America

      • @NeuronautML@lemmy.ml
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        Personally I’d say score voting would make the most sense. Essentially it works like this, you get a list of parties and you vote them 1-5 on how much you agree with them. This changes the whole dynamics as you now aren’t choosing who will rule, but how much you agree with each party ideologically and forcing you to research on their proposed mandate plans. It also serves as sort of an evaluation of how do you think each party has been addressing the country’s issues before the election.

        Mathematically, this may not ensure always the most happiness, but it ensures the least unhappiness compared to all current known voting methods (you can easily find research on how this was calculated in many papers on mathematics).

        Personally i would also propose returning to the old Roman and the first proposed French republic system of having 2-3 consuls of the most voted for parties and they take turns proposing legislation to a senate that’s a direct seated representation of the voting results.

        As an interesting tidbit, the reason we have a president/prime Minister with all the power in most western democracies, is because Napoleon altered the original proposed 3 consul system into a prime consul with all the power then minor ministers because he was aiming to become Emperor and wanted to centralize the power. Our democratic systems are strongly influenced by the first French republic post the French revolution.

    • @rdri@lemmy.world
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      The Russian election was “rigged” in that there was only controlled opposition

      Incorrect. They were rigged pretty much completely, as some data shows. Something about 30 million fake votes.

    • @FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
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      US politics is absolutely retarded but at least you aren’t going to fall out of a window for criticizing the president.

        • @FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
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          Oh yea, true but that less about politics and more about capitalist creed. The US also has a police system that seemingly runs on the ritual sacrifice of innumerable black folk and pets but that is also not relevant.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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            How can you possibly separate politics from capitalist greed. The government represents the class that holds power, and US it’s the capital owning class.

            • @FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
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              In Russia the olicarchs are directly ruling the country so you can’t criticise them without endangering your life. In the US the capitalist class heavily influences the politics but isnt the one directly ruling the country so you can criticise the politicians all you want. That’s the difference I was pointing out.