I don’t care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the “blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn’t Android’s fault for not being compatible with it.
The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.
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Isn’t android built off Linux?
It technically is, but “Linux” in Android’s case is meant as the kernel.
In a rather unorthodox way, yes.
Android is one of those rare examples of a Linux kernel not being paired with GNU tools. I believe Android wrote their own versions of all the tools they wanted.
The kernel is also extremely locked down by default. They very intentionally designed the OS in such a way that every facet of the kernel is kept abstracted away from you. It’s about as black-boxed as you can get, to the point where the fact that it’s Linux underneath is almost meaningless.
And MacOS is BSD :)
“blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing
Ha ha ha in one single country full of narcissistic idiots
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I promise it’s not a thing, mate
Yeah nobody actually gives a shit about that except zoomers and news stations pretending like it’s a thing
Even as an (older) zoomer in the US, this was never a thing for me. No one cared what phone you used. If you had an Android you wouldn’t be in iMessage group chats but no one judged you for it.
Yep, also not a thing where I’m from.
Well considering here in Czechia (the country that’s 90% “middle of fucking nowhere”) it’s scary that a third of active phones are iPhones, how does anyone except the people living in big cities afford this shit? People around me are getting iPhones, but it’s always like 4-5 year old 11s and 12s, literally the shittiest investment you can do
Also can’t wait in a couple of years when this number will probably go up and iMessage will take over any other messaging app
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Lukewarm? All my homies hate Google.
I’ve owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I’ll switch back again. It’s not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.
What’s to like more?
I’ve found the overall performance to be more consistent/better. The “better” part is a bit moot as every time I buy a new phone, the performance should be better than the last one just because it’s newer technology.
And while there are a lot of things I don’t like, core performance kind of overshadows any other issues I have or features I’m missing out on. Perhaps I should have said “better for my needs” instead of “better product.”
What? How dare you go against the Lemmy hivemind. Apple bad remember?
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Yes, but make a criticism of Apple’s monopolistic behaviour online and you’ll immediately have a million brain dead Apple fans screaming at you about how iPhones have to work exactly the way they do now or the world will fall apart.
Seems the other way around works just as well. Say you like an Apple product and attract someone who goes „brainless Apple fanboy“ or „Google does it better because freedom“
No, we don’t like Google either.
Oh the Apple hate is much worse than the Apple love.
Lol no one is responding to posts about how much you like a feature with hate, unless you’re trolling the wrong community or youre the person in OPs post, saying that in response to someone making a criticism of a corporation’s monopolistic behaviour?
Clearly we have been to different parts of the internet, cause that is definitely not what I observed in the past years.
It’s dumb either way. Google and Apple are publicly traded companies and therefore never have the end user as top priority. Satisfying them is just means to please shareholders, their top priority. And if it is not that, then it is pleasing some governing body (e.g. China, India) to expand market access and grow. For the shareholders again.
Yeah, obviously hyperbole, but there is a kind of console fanboy-ism around smartphones which is honestly bizarre.
And while I’d rather Apple not be so shitty about proprietary everything, it’s also not the end of the world.
That’s not true at all
It’s been my experience and evidently it’s been OPs and everyone who upvoted this.
I think it’s being pointed out that people who share your experience generally have a pretty extreme lack of awareness which everyone else can easily notice.
An announcement about a new iPhone or iOS feature will inevitably have Android supporters bashing on literally every single person that owns an iPhone, making childish character judgments about strangers.
If an announcement about Android happens though, you do not get a bunch of iPhone users looking to criticize the Android fans at all. We just don’t care to go through such a pointless exercise that is willfully engaging in extremely poor logic. It’s raw and unfiltered stupidity to generalize about any huge group of consumers solely based on a product they use. Use whatever you like.
The frustration with IOS new features, is not the feature, it is that apple claims it is revolutionary or apple exclusive…and Android people are like WTF we had that 10 years ago.
That’s more specific than the average criticism, and while valid…why would anyone direct their ire for a company’s marketing towards their consumers? I can’t even count the amount of time I’ve heard folks online claim that Apple users only buy the phone for the image and because of their marketing etc. iPhones have been around for 17 years now, and people just like them. The standard complaint is that Apple fans are clueless etc. but people spend all their lives managing limited resources. It’s wildly ignorant to assume they can’t choose products for themselves. The simple fact is that iPhones are worth the money to the people who buy them, period.
i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader. People go harsh on religious fanatics. For adults buying a phone, sure. For kids it is image, they are peer pressured into having Apple, or face highschool ridicule. And they aren’t buying it outright, it goes on a payment plan that mom and dad pay for. Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for “new” features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC…but people can’t be convinced of what they already believe
Fanboy wars are exhausting, stupid, and unproductive.
You will be a happier person when you stop giving a shit about what phone or operating system someone else uses.
OPs point is also that they’re exhausting. If you try and make a legitimate criticism of Apple’s monopolistic behaviour as a trillion dollar corporation, then you just get flamed by Apple fanboys.
Depends why you made that criticism. I hate Apple as much as the next guy but the post makes it seem like the creator is the one who typically initiates a targeted and unwarranted attack at the user specifically (“…accuse him of supporting an evil…”) as soon as they see an iPhone in their hand and then gets mad when they retaliate
Idk where they got a fanboy war when people here are like “fuck google” and “fuck Apple” if anything it’s anti-fanboying
As an Android user, Android phones with Google Play Services are no better - in fact I’d say they’re probably worse
No at least you can side loade and install other app stores out of the box with android. It`s far from perfect but still way better.
FDroid for open source apps.
News flash, you can do that on iOS too.
Edit: downvote away, my custom apps on my iPhone run great without jail breaking. Love all the wrong info on Lemmy. Good stuff.
Don’t you have to jailbreak to do that
Nope. You can install any app with developer license. You can also jailbreak. Don’t bother replying to this comment, I’ve read enough brain dead replies already.
With developer license
Doesn’t seem fair to pay for the luxury of being able to install your own software
Not really, no
Okay! You’re wrong but that’s alright. I’m running custom apps on my device without jailbreaking.
As a person who has never owned anything but android…you can’t possibly think Google is any less evil.
https://slrpnk.net/comment/6754380 Nobody is forcing me to buy their phones or their stock version of android though. A lot of people manage to live just fine with fully de-googled roms, installable even on google’s own phones.
And do those phones that have been degoogled solve the issue of all the slave labor along the production chain?
And even if you install a ROM… You’re still supporting them. You’re funding Google.
I’m sorry dude but you’re comparing apples to apples. They’re both horrible disgusting companies, and there really is no picking the morally correct side.
More than you are implying. An Apple product means you have to buy from Apple. At least with android you can order a Fairphone. Which, while not perfect, is significantly better in the “slave labor” category.
Google is not a good company by any means, but when you buy their Pixel it’s your device. You can unlock its bootloader and install whichever OS you like. And even with the stock Android you’ve always been free to do anything. There are no features built into Android that lock you in and force the other side to buy one as well. Whereas Apple’s iMessage is available on iPhones only, peer pressuring others into buying one. Saying that buying an iPhone and an Android phone is morally the same is dishonest at the least. Especially since Android is just an open platform and each manufacturer is using their own modified version. Brands such as Xiaomi or Huawei went even beyond the software skin and optimized their ROMs to run especially well with their own hardware. If you buy an iPhone, you are forcing those around you into buying a specific device made by a specific company that loves playing Monopoly a bit too much.
Things you buy aren’t moral choices. If there is no ethical consumption under capitalism there must neither be any moral consumption under capitalism either.
Lol seriously. He’s literally trying to frame Google as the morally correct choice as opposed to the teensy bit less evil choice.
I will admit the openness is why I chose one disgustingly evil company over the other. You do have a point there. But there is no getting over the fact that Google is doing serious damage in many ways and just because you managed to uninstall all their spyware when you bought a pixel or any android device you are still funding that. You personally help them grow and become more of a problem for the Internet at large.
And I like that you completely glossed over the biggest point… That they both profit off of slave labor. And of course child labor.
But hey open software means slaves are not as bad right?
Like I said, an Android phone does not equal a Pixel made by Google. If you are concerned about where the resources used to manufacture your device are from, get a Fairphone and flash Lineage/CalixOS on it. That way you are “supporting” Google in the smallest possible way and you can still use a smartphone.
The FBI demonstrated during the San Bernardino shooting investigation that Apple must purposefully put backdoors in their devices, as the FBI was able to independently crack the phone, which isn’t possible without a backdoor or a security flaw so poor that a third-world hacker could access it with some level of effort or knowledge.
Do not trust Apple with your privacy, even less so than Google. At least Google will allow you to see everything they’ve collected on you and prevent random bad actors from accessing your data, which is something we can’t be sure of with apple. This isn’t about which is the more moral company, it’s about which is more dangerous to the consumer. Complete lack of control over your computing environment will only make sense in cases where you’re expected to have a complete lack of knowledge of computers and someone else does the thinking and manages your device.
The fbi contracted a third party to defeat the limit on passcode attempts so they could brute force the lock screen by having someone just sit there trying every possible code. My understanding is that it involved physical access to the device and the way that process is handled by the phone was reengineered shortly afterwards to prevent it from happening in the future.
That’s not a backdoor, that’s sawing the front door into pieces to avoid triggering the anti-tamper system on the hinges and lock.
If you want backdoor worries, look to the generations of apple chips with undocumented memory mapped io registers that were in development during that time period. But don’t think too hard about how arm chips are developed or why that got left in there or how. You may come to the undeniable conclusion that a natsec cutout is licensing slabs of arm feature silicon with backdoors built in.
This is not a defense of apple. Only a clarification that there wasn’t a backdoor found in the San bernidino phone, and that if you wanna be freaked out about back doors there’s better stuff to get crazy over.
Gotcha gotcha
Thanks for the clarification
if youre worried about backdoors and spying, its a good idea to start paying attention to the trade publications and training media made for reprehensible spooks.
they’ll say shit that makes you throw up in your mouth but you’ll never look at push notifications or sms the same way again.
Google is no better.
At least there’s choice with Android. I’d much rather it was possible for FOSS phones to actually exist but in the meantime the lock-in with Apple is an absolute non-starter, as is basically everything about their UX philosophy.
If Apple let my install alternate OS. I might consider the hardware.
Google is a bit better, Google allows you to both side load and unlock the bootloader. On those 2 things alone gives them at least a couple notches above Apple. Not to mention Android is designed around allowing you to customize things.
That being said, Google isn’t some savior, they’re still a giant corporation doing giant corporation things
I didn’t mean Android is no better than iOS, I meant Google is no better than Apple.
Objectively speaking, Apple is a less evil company than Google.
I don’t think that’s a thing that can be said objectively. How evil a company is is entirely subjective.
It’s really weird that this is what you imagine when someone buys something from a giant corporation that isn’t your preferred giant corporation.
For like the fiftieth time, no one that matters cares what phone you bought, what OS it runs, or what color your texts are on other phones you didn’t buy. As a person that keeps buying iPhones, I don’t care what you buy. Please feel free to stop caring what I buy.
My sentiments exactly. I cannot possibly fathom wasting mental energy on such a mundane thing.
Ah yes, the classic centrist position. Why does it matter if the government performs mass surveillance if you have nothing to hide? Why does it matter if I drive a huge and inefficient car? I can make all these choices secure in the knowledge that I never do bad things so they never occur as a result of my actions.
I’m not sure you’re in the right thread here, unless ios and android are political identities now.
It’s a phone, man. Not an F-350 rolling coal with a Trump flag.
Swipe on. It’s okay if you don’t understand how this stuff works.
Your phone privacy is owned by your isp and the OS maker. You arent doing the world any better being on android. Google is fucking awful too. Both are awful and should be broken up. They are way too large and powerful and only having 2 phone OSes in the world everyone runs made by 2 greeeeedy ass corporations is the problem neither of you can solve gloating about which evil corp you give money to to interact with modern society.
This was exactly my point, I’m not lining up for an iPhone or an android. The lack of choice is what drives me to buy apple because when the time comes for a new phone it’s one or the other and I prefer the experience on iPhone. Really I would rather not give my money to either but there are no viable alternatives. I would not criticize anyone for buying android or apple, it’s a matter of what kind of shit sandwich do you want to eat, and it’s terrible.
I do miss Symbian smartphones. Nokia was the shit back then
Checkout sailfishOS. You can run android apps on it.
So i support Google by using an open source OS? Just because your phone uses Android dosent mean it has any Google services included. Since Android itself is open source, there are many Android OSs that dont include any Google Software.
Network effect. Same reason why you should use firefox (or alts) as much as possible over chromium (or alts).
Install GrapheneOS , it is degoogled, and security focused. if you want play store it runs inside a sandbox so Google isn’t in all your biz. Also has Mic and Camera shutoff options for the paranoid types.
Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it’s iPhone users doing the same.
Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.
As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don’t post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.
I never think about iPhones until I’m forced to enroll one into my MDM and Apple makes me use their terrible Apple Configurator 2 or some iPhone user lightheartedly mentions my green bubbles. As always the squeeky wheels are gettin’ greased.
I always see android users bitching about non android phones. On the other hand, I NEVER see iPhone users who give a shit about android or complain about them. Interesting….
There is plenty to criticize about Apple when it comes to anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices…
But if you’re gonna talk on the level of “evil” and “freedom”, Apple’s greatest sin is their supply chain.
And then there’s Google, whose evil I would place somewhere between [Apple’s] pseudo-monopoly and [Apple’s] pseudo-slavery. At least Apple is a tech company. Google is a surveillance company that just happens to make tech so they can monitor you more closely.
Working with the shared-space AR APIs in iOS and Android really drove home the difference in their priorities. The iOS SDK only allowed us to share AR data through a local, SDK-managed connection. The data is opaque, can’t be directly serialized, and doesn’t work anyway if you try to persist/distribute it yourself. Android, on the other hand… They wanted us to upload your AR data to Google-owned servers, where they could do Google-knows-what with the scans of your living room.
It’s sad that we’re at a point where you have to either pay for your privacy, or pay with your privacy. But we can at least not be naive about it. Android is more interoperable, more prolific, and more lenient with third-party code. And that’s because it’s a good strategy if you’re a surveillance giant. Not because it’s good for consumers.
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Got a couple of comments that are like “Um, actually, Apple is still subject to government surveillance and exploits”.
Let me be clear: You should not expect any off-the-shelf product to shield you from intelligence agencies and state-sponsored hackers. You will have to radically change your life to accomplish that, and “Apple or Google?” won’t even be a relevant question for you.
And I’m not saying Apple doesn’t do shady monitoring for their own commercial purposes.
All I’m saying is that Google’s core business model is shady monitoring, and that directly influences their decisions regarding Android. So painting it as the commoner’s hero against the greedy walled-garden warden is a dangerous proposition.
There are no good guys here.
There’s some hardware, SDKs, and back-end services that you can evaluate on their own merits if you’re capable.
But if you want to just look at business practices:
- There’s one company that doesn’t want to integrate with anything outside of their own products – because that’s good for their bottom line.
- And there’s one company that wants to integrate with anything and everything – because that’s good for their bottom line.
Don’t assume the difference is benevolence.
They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren’t good enough yet. Guess I’ll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.
i feel you, the fairphone 4 works well enough for me though. a lot of software/hardware bugs are yet to be ironed out fully, but fairphones are steadily getting better.
although the 6th gen needs to improve a lot, the 5’s launch was disappointing to say the least.
the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren’t good enough yet
What is not good enough with Fairphone ?
Display, battery life, performance, supported bands, software reliability, camera quality, etc.
I know I am one of those weirdos that asks for a lot from a mobile device, but I want something that can act as a high speed hotspot for 5 devices and a desktop environment at the same time, while playing back high resolution media and charging fast. This kind of thing has always been possible with Samsung’s flagship, but now every generation it feels like yet more is removed compared to the older one. I’m still on the S21U and while I’m not very happy with it, I haven’t seen anything better, including the new Samsungs.
Maybe I should set my sights lower, but it just frustrates me because these are all things my S9+ could do in 2017.
I don’t get why people always bring up the “drama” of the bubble color on iphone texts. That "drama"was overblown. I’ve never met anyone who actually cares if another person’s using a different type of phone than them. Those people have got to be such a small minority of the population (and likely have a huge overlap with the ones that are just crap people already.) At this point bringing up the bubble colors is just a convenient way to fill out a dull argument.
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I’ve seen people get legitimately bullied for it. Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it’s a minority among all demographics.
It’s utterly despicable that you’ve witnessed this happen, and I ask out of genuine interest: how widespread have you seen this bullying?
It’s not the majority of interactions but it was common enough in high school and college that it became a VERY decisive topic. It seemed the Apple users who didn’t bully anyone were unaware it was happening, and the android users, whether or not they were bullied, were always mad about the bullying, which, from the perspective of average iPhone users, made it feel like android users were constantly nagging them, which just widened the cultural gap between the two groups.
So if someone who had an iphone learned you used android, there’s an equal chance you’d get someone who was a bully for no reason or someone who assumed you were combative about it and either way looked down on you for it. It was an unfortunate situation.
You’re probably an adult, the whole blue/green bubble is targeted at high school student demographics, ya know, the same demographic who LOVES pointless drama and bullying over stupid shit like the color of a text bubble
Apple likes this setup because by the time you leave HS you’ll probably have switched to iPhone due to peer pressure and are unlikely to switch later because “it’s just what I’ve always used” and like you’ve noted no longer care about the blue/green bubble debate
my issue is that in mixed platform group messages sometimes some messages don’t go through to some people in the group completely at random, nearly always when plans are trying to be made. it’s entirely Apple’s refusal to make imessages compatible with whatever android is using. Not about to shame the people who have androids because of it though, and it’s certainly not about the color of the text.
Didn’t apple recently add thr open standard for messaging , RTS? or someting that Android has moved to
IDK, all i know is that group messaging with iMessages between iOS and android is still garbage. Its an easy fix though it its really causing issues between people: just use a 3rd party app.
As long as you are willing to use Google Messages and eventually go full circle.
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The corporate oligarchy of unmerica working exactly as designed, divide and conquer
