First, they restricted code search without logging in so I’m using sourcegraph But now, I cant even view discussions or wiki without logging in.
It was a nice run
The writing was on the wall when they established a generative AI using everyone’s code and of course without asking anyone for permission.
It’s an interesting debate isn’t it? Does AI transform something free into something that’s not? Or does it simply study the code?
There’s no debate. LLMs are plagiarism with extra steps. They take data (usually illegally) wholesale and then launder it.
A lot of people have been doing research into the ethics of these systems and that’s more or less what they found. The reason why they’re black boxes is precisely the reason we all suspected; they were made that way because if they weren’t we’d all see them for what they are.
The reason they’re black boxes is because that’s how LLMs work. Nothing new here, neural networks have been basically black boxes for a long time.
Sure, but nothing is theoretically stopping them from documenting every single data source input into the training module and then crediting it later.
For some reason they didn’t want to do that of course.
Llama and stability AI published their sources, did they not?
The reason they are blackboxes is because they are function approximators with billions of parameters. Theory has not caught up with practical results. This is why you tune hyperparameters (learning rate, number of layers, number of neurons ina layer, etc.) and have multiple iterations of training to get an approximation of the distribution of the inputs. Training is also sensitive to the order of inputs to the network. A network trained on the same training set but in a different order might converge to an entirely different function. This is why you train on the same inputs in random order over multiple episodes to hopefully average out such variations. They are blackboxes simply because you can’t yet prove theoretically the function it has approximated or converged to given the input.
Can you link it please? I’d like to inform myself.
I doubt they have a factual basis for their opinion, considering
they were made that way because if they weren’t we’d all see them for what they are.
Is just plain wrong. Researchers would love to have a non black box AI (i.e. a white box AI), but it’s unfortunately impossible with the current architecture.
Their use of language also feels more emotional and if anything it makes me more skeptical.
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I moved all my open source projects to Gitlab the day Microsoft announced they were acquiring Github.
(I wish in retrospect I’d taken the time to research and decide on the right host. I likely would have gone to Codeberg instead of Gitlab had I done so. But Gitlab’s still better than Github. And I don’t really know for sure that Codeberg was even around back when Microsoft acquired Github.)
My first impression of gitlab was offputting because I was using hardened firefox and couldnt get past through cloudflare so I ended up using github. It was also better ui wise but now its just a mess
Edit: slowly i’m starting to move everything to codeberg
I’m OOTL. Why is Codeberg better than GitLab?
- It is FOSS while GitLab EE is not.
- It supports a lot of atifact repository formats while GitLab only docker registry.
- It is a non-commercial project.
- It supports a lot of atifact repository formats while GitLab only docker registry.
not true https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/packages/package_registry/supported_package_managers.html
that said, I hate gitlab and their commercial choices, they must die
Thank you I missed when they added this. I only track a very old FR for rpm support and was sure that situation is similar with other repos. However gitea/forgejo supports more formats including rpm.
Codeberg is ran by a German nonprofit. GitLab is publically-traded on NASDAQ.
I’m not really sure it is. I just wish I’d shopped around before jumping to Gitlab, really.
It kindof feels like Gitlab’s aims are more commercial and Codeberg’s are more in line with the FOSS movement, but that’s just a vague sense I have based on things I’ve seen but no longer remember specifically.
CalcProgrammer1’s response to my post seems pretty informative and apropos, though.
Codeberg us really new, i think like 2 years. Since covid for sure.
I registered there june 2020 so longer than that
Ah. Good to know. I don’t feel so bad about going with Gitlab now.
The landscape is changing so fast thanks to LLMs, everything is becoming gated behind logins. Thanks ChatGPT.
I still left my old and unmaintained projects on GitHub but I moved all my active projects to GitLab and any new projects go there too. I have them auto mirrored back to GitHub though as the more mirrors the better. I also recently set up a Codeberg mirror for some of my projects, though GitLab’s CI is what is keeping me on GitLab even though they nerfed the shit out of it and made it basically a requirement to host your own runners even for FOSS projects a year or two back. Still hate them for that and if Codeberg gets a solid CI option, leaving GitLab would make me happy. They too have seen quite a lot of enshittification in the years since Microsoft bought GitHub.
nerfed the shit out of it and made it basically a requirement to host your own runners even for FOSS projects a year or two back.
Did they just reduce quotas (minutes?, cache storage?) or did they remove features? I’ve always used self-hosted runner
Drastically nerfed the quotas. FOSS projects with a valid license used to have GitLab Premium access to shared runners and now even FOSS projects with a valid license get a rather useless 400 minutes. They also require new accounts to add CC info just to use that paltry sum which means FOSS projects can’t rely on CI passing on forks to ensure a merge request passes the checks before merging, as even if you have project specific runners set up forks don’t use them and neither to MRs.
I wish companies didn’t offer what they can’t support from the beginning rather than this embrace, extend, extinguish shit. I guess in GitLab’s case there was no extend, it was just embrace FOSS projects and let them set up CI pipelines and get projects depending on the shared CI runners as part of merge request workflow for a few years and then extinguish by yoinking that access away and fucking over everyone’s workflow, leaving us scrambling to set up project side runners and ruining checks on MRs.
They also require new accounts to add CC
just FYI you can still register w/o a cc but the option is hidden, only reachable via ‘sign in’ and then ‘register’: https://gitlab.com/users/sign_up
that said they’re shit and need to die
I’m honestly blown away by whomever finds this surprising. This is Microsoft we’re talking about. Everything they touch turns into this. Taking what is not theirs, using it for profit, and not even giving credit where credit is due.
What are good alternatives to GitHub except selfhosting? I only know gitlab.com. Anything else?
codeberg
I would say bitbucket except I don’t recommend bitbucket.
SSH + an HTTP server can work if you are going barebones
Hold up, are you sure you can’t view Discussions or Wiki? Which sites can you not view them?
I’m fine viewing them for public repos that I usually visit.
Asking to make sure that Github is not slowly rolling out this lockdown.
Most probably. I was viewing discussions about podman, I could view them if directily opened from a link but it required login when navigated to linked pages and wiki
Compared to Gitlab, it definitely is shit already. And that has nothing to do with the artificial restrictions. God I hate this website. I appreciate their service, but the UI is genuinely trash.
I just checked, and unless I’m missing something, you’re wrong? Tried https://github.com/snowplow/snowplow/wiki in private browser mode. Seems to work fine… Discussions work too.
And the restricted code search is not a big deal. You can still see and download all the source code you want and search that way. What usecase do you have for code searching without login? Lemmy is restricted too without login (as well as literally everything). The funny thing is that the last person I saw make a huge deal of this on Lemmy/Reddit, didn’t have a huge number of github commits over the years (they definitely had some, so they were active though, but even our newbies at work overtook them in months)
Creating a login is free too, and so is downloading source code. Github is a FREE service lol… And you’re whinging you need to create a free login? If you don’t like Github, then don’t use it lol. Absolutely nothing is preventing anyone migrating lol
Lemmy is restricted too without login (as well as literally everything)
You mean that you cannot comment or vote without an account? That just makes sense, because you need an account to tell the server to save some data of yours. That has to be connected to an account. Search does not (unless you are fixated on saving all actions of the user on the platform for behavioral analysis)
The funny thing is that the last person I saw make a huge deal of this on Lemmy/Reddit, didn’t have a huge number of github commits over the years (they definitely had some, so they were active though, but even our newbies at work overtook them in months)
Maybe you didn’t know, but not everyone in IT (job or hobby) writes code.
Creating a login is free too
Not really: you have to give personal information.
It’s not much of a problem until they only need an email address and are not too opinionated on your provider, but it’s not rare at all that platforms also require a phone number (either upfront at registration, or discord-microsoft-style, locking you out of your account untill you give it them) which for the most part won’t be private at all. Thus, you are paying with your data. For something (repo content) that the maintainers wanted to be public and free.Creating a login is free too, and so is downloading source code
What about the Wiki and Discussions? Several others said things that make me think it’s under A/B testing.
They also broke some stuff with some javascript, I think. I’m using KDE’s web browser (Falkon) and it used to work well.
You don’t need the question mark. If something is for-profit (or can be used for profit) then sooner or later it will be enshittified.
They have teams of people whose entire job is figuring out ways to wring a few more cents from somebody. Put them at the helm of a company that’s stood for 1000 years and they’ll be thrilled at how easy it will be to use that name to sell plastic dogshit at a premium price.
What about the time they fired their artists and then immediately wrote a blog post congratulating themselves for making AI art from a model trained on the ex-employees’ art. Inspiring.
They also added some crappy requirements to their student benefit package.
Are you trying to get people to use it, or trying to get people to accidentally keep paying a subscription?
I don’t really feel like self-hosting a Git instance is a good idea for me personally, but I’ve been really happy with Gitlab for around 8 years now
The final strawberry for me was forcing people to have 2fa.
Eh? That was the final straw?
Why? That’s a good thing.
You don’t need the question mark. If something is for-profit (or can be used for profit) then sooner or later it will be enshittified.
They have teams of people whose entire job is figuring out ways to wring a few more cents from somebody. Put them at the helm of a company that’s stood for 1000 years and they’ll be thrilled at how easy it will be to use that name to sell plastic dogshit at a premium price.
No. I am able to decide for myself, whether or not I need 2FA. A code via E-Mail is enough for me. If you feel like you need 2FA; feel free to enable it for yourself…
Not sure how a company can turn a public digital key or a mathematically calculated number (both of them completely unlinked to your real identity in any way) to profit. But you do you I guess.
Well, I never said that. It just generally shows the direction, they are heading. They are literally FORCING you to enable that. I am not a baby. I don’t need a babysitter.
