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  • rysiek@szmer.infoOPtoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Great fedi thread on consent
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    2 years ago

    If a cafe wants to enforce a “no phones” rule, they can do so relatively effectively. If a website wants to enforce a “no robots” rule (especially if they also want to not require any login to view the content on the site) they can ultimately only pretend to be able to do that effectively.

    But you’re again conflating the issue of consent and enforcement. There are things we are able to do but we know to ask first before we do them. The fact that something is possible doesn’t mean that it’s allowed. The fact that something is not easy to enforce against does not make it okay to do it anyway.

    What about public parks? Is it okay to walk around you while you’re having a conversation and record you, and then post that conversation on-line? Is it okay to use directional microphones to record you in such a setting? Doesn’t the whole recording-in-the-park thing from the Conversation give you the creeps?

    Are you saying that the fact that something is difficult to enforce against makes it okay to do, even if the person you do this to does not want it done?

  • rysiek@szmer.infoOPtoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Great fedi thread on consent
    3·
    2 years ago

    You technically can, and if you get caught the cafe can (and should, imo) kick you out for doing so.

    Right, so we agree here. But you did not respond to the second question: are cafés public or private spaces?

    I’m a big proponent of enforcing privacy in online and offline spaces with technology, policy, and social norms. I’m also opposed to magical thinking. Telling people that they can semi-publish, to have some of the benefits of publishing without some of the consequences, is misleading to the point of being dishonest.

    Nobody is saying that. Nowhere in the thread I linked is that being said. Nowhere in my comments did I say that. It’s not about telling people they can or cannot “semi-publish”, it’s about telling people creating systems and products that they need to ask these people for permission to do certain things.

    Or in other words: it’s not about telling café patrons they can or can’t have perfectly private conversations in the café, it’s about telling anyone who might want to potentially record conversations in that café “you have to ask and receive permission for this first”. That’s a pretty crucial difference.

  • rysiek@szmer.infoOPtoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Great fedi thread on consent
    22·
    2 years ago

    I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith. In fact, reading your comment again, I am pretty sure you are arguing in bad faith. And I have better things to do than engaging with that.

    If anyone wants to engage in an honest conversation, those who follow me on fedi or have seen my comments around here know I’m totally game for that. But “and yet you engage in society! curious!”-level discussion is not worth anyone’s time, frankly. 🙂

  • rysiek@szmer.infotoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fediverse is like email
    3·
    2 years ago

    I am one of those technology educators, and today I would still warn people that “Internet does not forget”, and that they need to be careful what they put out there.

    That doesn’t mean we should not demand explanation from people who make it so, and that we should not demand them to ask for consent and respect our refusal to give it. I really appreciate how fedi culturally puts this front-and-center. I hope it continues to do so, and that this way of thinking spreads farther!

    I agree that consent should not be a controversial topic. Regardless of how much it inconveniences techbros trying to “disrupt” yet another area of human endeavor.

  • rysiek@szmer.infotoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fediverse is like email
    4·
    2 years ago

    I think search engines indexing plain old websites (blogs etc) are an importantly different case.

    The nature of the medium in blogs/news websites/etc is way more public and way less intimate (in general…) than social media. Social media blur the line between private and public conversations, for better or worse.

    Social media is like having a conversation in a public cafe; websites/blogs is more like publishing a newspaper or standing on the corner of a street shouting your message at strangers.

    Making a public archive of newspapers or recording a person shouting at strangers is one thing. Recording semi-private conversations in a cafe is a whole different thing. Does that make sense?

  • rysiek@szmer.infotoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fediverse is like email
    3·
    2 years ago

    Or exposure to harassment, including offline. Or context collapse. Or…

    In the end, adding search would change the space dramatically, especially any privacy-related expectations. And there are about 2mln people who are using fedi with current set of expectations. There are hundreds of thousands who had been using it with this set of expectations for years. Waltzing in and bulldozing these expectations is just not a good idea.

    So yeah, don’t do search on fedi unless you do some deep research about consent.

  • rysiek@szmer.infotoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fediverse is like email
    4·
    2 years ago

    I don’t have to defend my right to decide how stuff I put out there can be used. Whoever wants to scrape my toots has to explain why they want to do so, and get my consent first.

    And “well it’s publicly available so it’s fair game” is not enough of an argument. Just as “she was wearing a short skirt” is not consent to sexual advances.