This is simply a rehash/summary of an original article on 404media. Beyond that, you would have to be living under a rock to think that Plex was interested in what their users actually wanted. I ran a Plex server for years until I got fed up with trying to turn off some new self serving misfeature with every new update. It’s been clear for years that offering a self hosting media server solution is simply a bridgehead for Plex to seek every more revenue opportunities, even for paying
victimscustomers. I moved to and recommend Jellyfin- comparable user experience (minus the crap), use the same library, apps for all your devices, open source and completely self contained.Problem is jellyfin doesn’t have apps on stuff, therefore my family can’t reach the content on their TVs without side loading and that’s so far beyond any of them it isn’t even funny
What devices are missing support in your case? Not an exhaustive list of clients
To be fair, an app for Samsung TVs would be great. Currently you need a complicated work around to get it working.
This Samsung app is the one thing I need to actually switch my family over to jellyfin.
I could do the workaround for myself, but I’m not doing it for others.
So for now I’m the only jellyfin user
An Xbox app that isn’t just the web UI. Plex has a damn good Xbox app.
Damn good, is an understatement. The only app I found better than the Xbox app is using Kodi Plex Plug In, but the HDR is non-existent on that, so it’s worthless to me.
What does Kodi do better?
This madlad made a chart comparing which files /codecs transcoded or Direct Played a few years ago. I finally found it again. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-nOzJkgEmo_wrU3zyUy21qW8vJ-Vo1j_z6GLhQBiTOQ/edit?usp=drivesdk Edit: That’s an old one, there was one updated with the Series consoles, but I can’t find it. The Series Plex update (which may work on the others as well) rarely transcode anyone.
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Enshittification
Can cast fairly well from the phone app or even the browser. Chrome cast is funky though.
What “stuff” are you referring to? Has the webapp, Android, iOS, Firesticks, Roku. What are you trying to run it on? Even my SmartTV has it in thier native store.
Which TV models?
I’m gonna guess plugging in a roku is too much for them, too? When Arthur C Clarke said his magic quote I didn’t expect that line to be drawn at shiny lights on a screen for most people.
I don’t think the anime titles are bothering as many people as the unintentional exposure of their pornography.
I do too much curating to have my lists leaked. If you want access to my excellent tastes, I require payment in advance.
Sorry, I searched for Plex plus your username, you’re already compromised:
Busty Babes 8: Even the boobs have boobs in this one.
It’s boobs all the way down.
I can’t say I’m interested in paying for your attendance to my anime club. Our first rule is screw the money, we’re pirates.
This is what separates the casual weebs from the professional otakus.
Every time one of you says this I can only imagine you’re into the most degenerate shit on earth. Like Christopher Walken in fursona shitting on Peter Dinklage while Megan Thee Stallion flicks bean in the corner
My tastes run deeper than skin and excretions. Only tainted minds can even discern where the sensuality begins and ends, the flickering myriad coaxing froth only from souls who peered long into the abyss. The decadent ecstasy afforded to we few is as delicious as it is unknowable. Do not search, do not query, if one is worthy then it will seek you out.
Which one of the Cenobites are you?
I’ve held many names, but my most recent moniker is Hellman. Hellman’s mayonnaise.
So guro then?
Does Jellyfin support skip-intro and skip-credits?
Skip-intro is an unofficial plugin ATM but can vouch that it works decently well. Can’t compare it to the Plex implementation since it has been quite a while since I’ve had Plex deployed.
But afaik it only works in the browser, not on mobile apps unless that changed in the last few months.
Ah you’re probably right about the mobile clients. I’m not a mobile watcher really. I can say though that the jellyfin desktop app and jellyfin mpv shim both have skip-intro integration, though I’ve only tested it with jellyfin MPV shim.
Love how the headline equates the shame of viewing porn with the shame of viewing anime
It’s called hentai, and it’s art.
Xart
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Thanks, Dean.
Like the old joke goes, “when I’m watching anime and my mom walks in, I alt tab to porn because it’s easier to explain”
They’re subtly trying to hint that it’s that kind of anime porn.
Lol, I just finished building my JellyFin server last weekend too. Bye Plex!
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I’m one of the programmers of the Jellyfin Roku client. What are some of the things you’re seeing that need polish? We’re always looking for what to work on next to make it better for users.
Ok here’s my personal gripes/nitpicks
Music:
- overlay band name on band tile. I know the name is up top, but I don’t recognize a lot of those tile pics and have to go one by one trying to find the right one.
- when I click a band tile, the “Albums” icon is too small. Ideally have album tiles horizontal along the bottom, but at least make the icon bigger and put next to Instant Mix, also a “all songs” next to “albums”.
- Instant Mix is confusing, it seems to be shuffle just name it shuffle, and if you hit shuffle from a band details I’d expect it to shuffle just that band, vs “Shuffle All” from main screen, or Shuffle album from album details, etc.
- when playing and play/pause is focused, if I could push “up” to focus the progress bar, and then left/right to fast fwd/rewind, or “ok” btn to enter a time to skip to (think, where I left off in this 20 hour long audiobook)
Movies section had some nitpicks too. Like wishing there was a quick bar when you focus a movie, or at least putting “un/mark watched” in the asterisk menu instead of having to drill into it. The rest is probably just me needing to get used to the playback button design, like pushing up I’d expect to see progress bar and some quick functions but instead I see file info which doesn’t seem like a common thing I’d care to look at. Similarly, being able to click the progress bar and skip to a time would be wonderful vs hitting “right” a hundred times on my crappy Roku remote 🙂
Hope you found my complaining useful!
Gonna unpack these in small groups. I’ll start with things I believe the client already does or will do soon.
when I click a band tile, the “Albums” icon is too small. Ideally have album tiles horizontal along the bottom, but at least make the icon bigger and put next to Instant Mix
If the artist has albums, you should be able to press down on the remote to get to the album section without having to use the left icon menu. That menu is really only there to help people like me who have some artists with dozens of albums and I don’t want to have to press up through all of them to get back to the top. It’s a little jump menu.
Instant Mix is confusing, it seems to be shuffle just name it shuffle, and if you hit shuffle from a band details I’d expect it to shuffle just that band, vs “Shuffle All” from main screen, or Shuffle album from album details, etc.
Instant mix is kinda like a radio play option. It generates a playlist based on the band you’re on. To play all the songs by the selected band, press the Play button on their artist page. To shuffle play the artist, currently you can press the play button on their artist page then enable shuffle mode.
The upcoming 2.0 release will provide a new option where you can simply press the play button on your remote and it will shuffle play all the songs by the currently highlighted artist.
The rest is probably just me needing to get used to the playback button design, like pushing up I’d expect to see progress bar and some quick functions but instead I see file info which doesn’t seem like a common thing I’d care to look at. Similarly, being able to click the progress bar and skip to a time would be wonderful vs hitting “right” a hundred times on my crappy Roku remote.
The upcoming 2.0 release replaces the playback info and subtitle select popups with an OSD (on screen display). It has buttons to play/pause, skip by chapters, a chapter list, and the moved playback info and subtitle select popups. It also shows you where you are in playback (but this bar is not selectable due to technical reasons - thanks Roku 👎
Here are bugs you’ve identified.
overlay band name on band tile. I know the name is up top, but I don’t recognize a lot of those tile pics and have to go one by one trying to find the right one.
There is a setting to always show the titles on the items. On the home view press *, then go to Settings / User Interface / Libraries / General / Grid View Settings / Item Titles. Ensure this setting is set to Always Show. In your music library you will see titles for all your artists, but only if you’re using the Artists (Grid) view - accessed by pressing * while in your library. The titles in the Artists (Presentation) view aren’t honoring this setting. That’s a bug 🐛
Here are new features you’ve identified that I’ll made enhancement tickets for so we can work on them in the future.
also a “all songs” next to “albums”.
Create a new section that shows a selectable list of all the artist’s songs.
when playing and play/pause is focused, if I could push “up” to focus the progress bar, and then left/right to fast fwd/rewind, or “ok” btn to enter a time to skip to (think, where I left off in this 20 hour long audiobook)
This has been on my mind ever since I first wrote the audio player. It’s coming once we get the last of what I call “the foundation” items completed. In a nutshell, we needed the behind the scenes code to be improved before we could jump into adding more “advanced” functions to the audio player.
Movies section had some nitpicks too. Like wishing there was a quick bar when you focus a movie, or at least putting “un/mark watched” in the asterisk menu instead of having to drill into it.
We’ve had other people mention a similar menu in other locations. We’ve started calling it a context menu. We need to think more about how it interacts with existing * menus and all that, but it’s another good idea.
Hope you found my complaining useful!
Very helpful, thank you!
Doesn’t Plex require you to buy their premium service in order to use it on mobile devices?
I remember setting up my Plex server and was shocked that I had to pay to view my own media.
devs have to eat too, open source software (when fully free) is sometimes built as a hobby like Jellyfin, or as a portfolio project, or worst case scenario as a bait and switch to paid (sometimes it’s death sentence). Then there are sponsored projects like Vulkan, or others that live off of donations like Mozilla.
I always see this but I used Plex on my iPhone for months before I bought the Plex pass. I did buy the Plex app way back when and maybe that’s why but I’m also using a new Plex account so I don’t see how’d they be tied together.
I’m not sure if it is exactly the same on Iphone. But on Android you can choose to either pay for the app( a one time payment) or have Plex pass. Either way lets you watch on the mobile app.
I do not pay for Plex and watch stuff on my phone all the time
Buying the premium app and Plex pass are different things. You need to buy the app to be able to watch on mobile via the app.
I use VLC for mobile to access my Plex server.
I’ll admit this feature should have definitely been opt-in. But when the update came out there was a big pop-up on your screen when you logged in. Where you just turned all of this off and hit save. It is super easy to disable.
The sharing what I watch with friends part is dumb. But it is pretty cool how you can recommend stuff to friends.
I got the pop up. I disabled it. But I just got an email from Plex telling me everything my family member watched in the last week. This is complete shit!!
You opted out, but they didn’t
I thought I was opting out of my account and my server. But nope, Plex is scraping up everything that’s on my server and shipping it in an email to other people including me.
I’m not following.
I’ve been seeing this story do the rounds and I feel like we’re burying the lede here.
Who the hell is watching porn over Plex? That is somehow simultaneously the most uninformed and the most complicated way to access porn.
Thank you! This is what I was wondering too!
Stopped using Plex long ago but who thought this was a good idea?!
Someone in their marketing department
This is far from the first horrible thing I’ve heard Plex do. Why are they like this?
Enshittification is the norm for all for profit endeavours. Exceptions to this are exceedingly rare and usually just a matter of time rather than truly being an exception.
It’s the latest exciting chapter of “Plex and the Quest for Investibility!”
They’ve raised over $80 million. Investor money is a poison, and the only antidote is enshittification.
Well thats just short sighted. Theres barely a reason for the average consumer to even think about plex let alone sell em on anything. Maybe if they tried to resurrect DVD sales or become the bandcamp of movies they would have a plan. But just a media organizer? Theres no way those investors are getting that 80mil back.
Especially given the demographic of Plex users. The likelihood of them jumping ship is much higher than regular streaming services.
Ultimately, VLC stream still exists for people to go back to
Wow, glad I switched to Jellyfin.
The great enshittening of internet platforms continues
So how exactly is this enshitiffication?
It’s a stupid feature that’s for sure, but you’ve gotta stop calling everything enshitiffication mate
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It’s a degradation in functionality masquerading as an improvement. And as for labelling everything ‘shit’, have you seen my comment history. This is the first time I have used this term on any platform. Smh
Re: using it the first time - sorry, people just tend to use it when not applicable.
It’s not a degradation in functionality, it’s a dumbass move, but I’m sure they didn’t intend to worsen anything.
I’m a little shocked at how difficult it seems to be to find instructions on how to disable this feature. Pretty sure I got it, but it wasn’t a feature called discover together but a series of sharing options.
The fact that you’re only “pretty sure” and not “entirely sure” is pretty shitty on plex in itself.
Yep. I’m not thrilled.
Jellyfin ftw
What sucks to me is how hard jellyfin is to setup outside the network
Jellyfin is generally just as easy to set up for external access. The only thing you really need to worry about is having a dynamic IP. If you have a domain name, then setting up dynamic DNS is quite straightforward.
The only issue I have with people remotely accessing Jellyfin is that you cannot set a total system bandwidth cap. You can set a per stream cap, but that doesn’t help if you have too many people accessing your server at once.
I’m not trying to sound like a dick but having your own domain name isnt something most people have
Dynamic free domain names are everywhere, and work. Nothing really to setup either.
Sure, but neither are self hosted media servers, and if you can afford/run the one you can afford/run the other. Domain names are cheap as dirt and aren’t all that complicated for anyone running a home server.
trivially easy. cheap
Well perhaps I’ll have to look into it
I got a free subdomain from freedns.afraid.org and they have a script you can just add to your crontab to periodically check your IP and to update their DNS listing if your ISP changes it
You can easily request a free domain through services like duckdns.org. Might not be the prettiest domain name, but for these purposes it’s fine.
I certainly agree that it adds an element of complexity. I had never dealt with anything like this before and had to learn it, but it really is a pretty easy thing to setup.
Setting up proper zraid and dealing with Linux to get the server up was much harder than using nginx and buying a $4/yr domain.
Hmm OK, yeah Linux I’m super comfortable with, networking oddly scares me, but maybe I’ll give it a go
Maybe time to look into load balancers, e.g. nginx
Regarding domain names: tailscale funnel rocks!
Huh? You need an open port and a TLS certificate, that’s about it. If you’re CG-NATed you need some form of proxy in front, but that’s not Jellyfin’s fault.
Everytime I hear something about Plex I become a bit happier with my choice for Emby as media server.
At the time of building my then server I could choice between them(jellyfin wasn’t a thing yet). Luckily I picked emby
I picked Plex mainly because the lifetime sub wasn’t bad, and the features and polished interface were worth it. If Plex adds too many garbage/bloat features or removes useful features then I’ll jump ship to jellyfin immediately. Same boat for paying for bitwarden vs self hosting vaultwarden
This is the problem with proprietary software, it starts out fine, but as it get more popular the value goes down
As a former director of a tech startup it all goes downhill when you bring investors on board to raise capital. I had to do many things I disagreed with because once you bring investors in you generally end up facing life ruining financial penalties if you don’t deliver what they want.
Stuff like this really makes me want to switch to jellyfin, but I watch stuff from me and my friend groups libraries and Plex lets me search for shows across my entire friend group at once. I’m afraid I’ll be waiting forever for jellyfin to allow federating servers so that bob@red.instance can share a library with alice@blue.instance allowing Alice to browse red+blue instance content from their home instance UI instead of requiring an account with every instance.
More about this here: https://lemmy.ml/post/8550733
