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He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator
Freedom for me, chains for you. They don’t actually care about real freedom.
Yup. They think Daddy Trump is going lock up all the liberals and create a
facistconservative paradise.
You’d think after he didn’t pardon the people in person that stormed the Capitol they’d smarten up. If that didn’t open their eyes, nothing will.
Why didn’t he pardon everyone who committed crimes for him? Is there a good reason?
Because he doesn’t care about anyone but himself. If you gave that dude an organ he’d ghost you.
Right, but if he wants people to break the law for him, pardoning everyone who does makes sense
Why? They did it without the pardoning, and he walked away with his hands “clean” by not acknowledging what they did.
Personally I think it’s funny seeing these people get time in prison, screaming for Trump to acknowledge them and pardon them lol.
He believes they are supposed to go to jail for him to prove their loyalty. He really thinks he’s a mob boss or something
They love the freedom to own slaves and stuff like that
There are several different groups supporting him for different reasons. The biggest, I’d argue, is the slightly right very populist. They’re not into fascism per se, they just want a wrecking ball like Trump to go in and break apart the elite institutions they blame for all the problems and see no other way of influencing. There certainly are supporters who are encroaching on fascism territory. Then there’s long time Republicans who have flipped on a bunch of issues to try to get support from these people Trump activated.
Fascism is a president trying to take away constitutional rights like genocide Joe is with the second amendment and limiting gun rights. Trump has already said he won’t get involved in any foreign conflicts, which is far better than funding Israels genocide.
Just ask yourself who you’re going to have more rights under Trump or Biden, then you’ll see who the fascist dictator is.
The great constitutional rights of living in a country where schools have to debate whether to run active shooter drills.
It’s Trump. He’s essentially already said he wants to be a dictator. He’s started calling his opponents “vermin”, he’s stated on the record that he’s going to deploy the army on day 1 of his reelection to suppress any dissenters.
It’s not subtle
He’s going to destroy America so he can keep being the center of attention and make it illegal to disagree with him
He’s going to exchange love letters with Kim Jong Un again, isn’t he?
Better than the warhawk us establishment continuing the forever war
There’s a certain document called the constitution that gives Americans the right to assemble and to free speech that not even the president can fuck with.
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
You’re honestly following too much left wing media, a more balanced approach to how you consume news will open your eyes up to what factors you need to consider before voting next year.
following too much left wing media
I’m referring to things that Donald Trump has actually said openly on camera. It’s literally all he talks about. It has nothing to do with who’s reporting it, these are the actual words Trump has said.
I’m not particularly a leftist, I consider myself to be a centrist. I don’t particularly love Joe Biden. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go out and vote for a cartoon super villain though
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
For funsies, in the same statement (iirc), trump said their “sad, miserable existence will be crushed.” But you’re right, nothing to worry about /s
Wait… so the Constitution will stop Trump from enacting his fascist agenda but it won’t stop Biden from taking away The Precious?
Trump hasn’t said the truth about one thing his entire life.
Ok. I will. This is Biden’s plan, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Weird, because that article talks a lot about Trump.
In fairness, it’s not Trump’s plan, either, it’s Heritage’s. They’re doing it for Trump, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump has never even heard of it. Lol
I will have more rights under Biden. There’s more to rights than guns. Like as a gay man if I lose my right to exist, that’s a bit harsher than my right to own something.
Never had a president actually affect my day to day life before. It was wild, No thanks to that ever again
Are you talking about covid or am I missing something?
I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.
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E: no, there’s more I can say. Start with these lists:
What Biden Has Done – Year One
What Biden Has Done – Year Two
What Biden Has Done – Year Three
And then get back to us about how voting blue doesn’t help. Christ.
It’s too bad that not giving weapons to a genocidal government is not on one of those lists.
I will never vote for anyone not currently involved in calling for a cease fire ever again.
Not that it matters though, support for Biden has fallen to single digits among Muslims in the swing States, whose numbers are required to win those swing States.
If stopping Trump was so important, why did Biden through it all away to support a genocide?
How old are you?
There’s literally never been a good position on the fucking decades long Israel conflict that will please people. Most people smart and/or old enough know to stay the fuck out of it. It’s a meme, for fuck’s sake. There was a Rick and Morty episode about it several years ago, that’s how much of a meme it is now.
If you’re judging Biden by that, you’re obviously too young to remember the last time this volcano of shit erupted. Maybe look at other issues that impact American’s lives that don’t have to do with inane fantasies about Armageddon.
I’m forty fucking five. I want us to stay out of it. It’s our tax dollars that are paying for the weapons being used. This conflict exists BECAUSE we don’t stay out of it. If we did, Israel would have had to actually negotiate in good faith decades ago. You are directly paying to enact a genocide, because our current president is unwilling to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
Reagan stopped Israel bombing in twenty minutes with a single phone call. (Not that Reagan is a good person, just that the capability exists for Biden, he just chooses not to use it.)
I do remember Operation Cast Lead. I’m willing to bet that you didn’t even know the name of the last time it erupted. You’re so ignorant that you view actual knowledge and lived experience as ignorance, because you’re so ignorant you don’t know how ignorant you are.
Finally, this is not inane you fucking moron, you have no knowledge of foreign policy, and this very easily could erupt into a wider regional war that turns into WW3.
P.S. It doesn’t matter what I think you fucking blood thirsty child murder justifying fuck, What matters is that a large enough percentage of voters in the mid-west swing states to be required for a Democratic win are Muslim. They correctly see Biden’s actions as enabling a genocide against a people they identify with. As a result, their support has dropped down to single digit support.
Every other normally Democratic voter that wasn’t Muslim could choose to vote for Biden, and he would still lose due to actions that would have been possible for someone as idiotic as yourself to predict. The Biden administration has done it to themselves.
I’m old enough to remember when democrats pointed out how horrible george w bush was while he was president (and rightfully so), but have only sucked his dick since then. Sorry, I don’t trust democrats to save a goddamn thing. Your padded and fluffed up lists don’t change that. I’ll continue voting for democrats down the entire ballot every single election, but I’m not stupid enough to think it will change anything.
Wait, are you saying democrats have sucked Bush’s dick? I must be misunderstanding what you’re saying, because that’s ludicrous.
I haven’t padded or fluffed anything. I’m very critical of all politicians, but I’m also realistic in what can be accomplished within the system we have. I don’t love democrats, and in my ideal world we’d have a better system.
But I will not allow fascism to grow in the bed of misguided discontent, which is literally what you’re doing.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157607/democrats-keep-embracing-george-w-bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dojOO3VZ4Jc
As for your lists, all it takes is a glance to immediately see the padding and fluff. For example, there are multiple lines dedicated to student loan forgiveness which is hilarious, seeing as Biden was a key figure in creating the student loan crisis in the first place:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/
So while he can brag about a few billions here and there freed up by enforcing rules that already existed, the student loan problem is now around $1.7 trillion and none of his policies address the loans that are currently being taken nor the loans being taken out in the future. In other words, he’s not solving the problem, not even ones he helped create himself. That’s really democrats in a nutshell: play along with republicans to create problems and then present themselves as “the thin blue line” that protects us by providing minor relief. One step forward and five steps back means you’re still going backward.
Unfortunately in our current election system, voting for the lesser evil is what we have to do.
Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote strategically in the end. So is the curse of our first past the post voting system.
And do what you can to help get the people who want to do positive change in your local elections into office. The only path to ranked choice voting is getting enough support in the states, there’s very little chance we’ll get it on the national stage without it becoming a reality on the state level.
Have you tried taking a loan out on anything lately? Minimum 8% interest rate for someone with the best credit score imaginable. I know doctors and engineers who refuse to buy a house right now because we had an incompetent senior citizen decide to hand out free money several times when the country was shut down and burn money on pointless foreign conflicts that we have absolutely no business being in. This country was prospering when Trump was in office and it will when he’s reelected next year.
What? Trump handed out more stimulus checks than Biden. Then there was the whole pay day loan fiasco that was rampant with corruption and fraud with absolutely no oversight.
Did you read through those lists?
That’s a seriously myopic response.
I did, and it’s just a list of him spending exorbitant amounts of tax payer money on the most random infrastructure projects. Bidens like the grandparent who goes out of their way to spoil their grandkids, there’s nothing wrong with it up to a certain limit, but if we just let them be in charge of our finances we’re all screwed. A Republican presidency is necessary to balance out the overspending of a liberal socialist president.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
Donald trump ran the third biggest deficit in US history. Put your money where your mouth is.
You obviously didn’t, if you’re still spouting trump’s talking points.
Or you actively want fascism, since he’s dropped the mask, finally. So which is it – are you being wilfully ignorant, or ready to be an open fascist? He’s making his stance perfectly clear. We can all see it now.
If you’re still willing to defend that… I want to say I pity you, but I can’t. Fascism will lose, hard this time. We’re onto it. We see it for what it is.
I’m simply a centrist constitutionalist, which is the farthest thing from a fascist.
I’m not going to vote for a president that consistently attacks my right to bear arms with a new law anytime a mass shooting pops off.
And I’m not willing to vote for a president that keeps on funding Israels genocide on Palestinians. Trump has already said he wouldn’t get involved in any foreign conflicts which is much more than Biden has done thus far.
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Interest rates are high because of inflation. It’s high in Europe as well.
Do you know the number one reason inflation is high? It rhymes with “Shmutin invading Ukraine”.
Wat
His brain. He is wracking it.
Is it difficult to live every day with a mental illness?
Heh. And you’re not deplorable! What a lovely assumption, but if someone had say, GAD, surely this is the reply to make them vote for the covertly fascist over the overtly fascist party. If someone had mpd, bpd, surely this is the answer to turn away the wrath and violence of j6ers.
I’m sorry you’re so devoid of imagination, you can’t imagine establishment D with zero personality won’t lose to the cult of evil personality, not imagine a viable solution.
I wish you peace and healing.
When Trump was president we couldn’t leave our houses because of COVID. We had riots in some cities. He was separating children from their parents at the border.
For me specifically things were going so bad at my company that we had daily meetings just to talk about how shitty things were in the world. They told us to do as much work as we could but it’s understandable if you can’t concentrate.i have never experienced that before In my life. That’s what I don’t want ever again.
Maybe things were fine for you but that shit sucked for me.
I’ll be honest, unless you were in a special circumstance, that sounds like a you problem not a Trump problem. I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for him, but for most people he did not affect their day to day that much. 2020 was the peak of actual influence on daily life, but I don’t think that had as much to do with Trump as people imply, either. The whole world got Covid. The US had a bit more deaths per capita than the rest of the developed world (less than UK) but it also has a less healthy population in general.
I think we all sort of trained each other to fixate on the president and be anxious if they’re not on our team.
I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.
You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.
We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.
Rage bait
Def. But the xenophobia and superiority complex on lemmy is outta pocket, tbh.
You should probably be aware that the cheeto never won a majority vote in America. Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
Along with that a good chunk, possibly majority of Americans is already more decent than you because we don’t use dehumanizing insults like the R word.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
I think you would be surprised at how little power Americans actually have to affect change in our government. Short of dragging our knuckles and starting some uprising like his goons did, change can’t happen, and I’m not one to resort to that. I’d sooner head to Canada or Mexico.
Change would happen if 74 million Americans would grow a second brain cell and stop voting republican. If democrats were the only party winning elections, people would be more willing to participate in primaries or vote for a third party
Once again pointing out that Trump never won the popular vote. Yes, we need to abolish the Electoral College. It favors the right wing unjustly and undermines the will of the people when it does not align with the popular vote.
Lots of people voted for him, yes. I’ll make the argument that things will actually get better as the folks whose cognitive abilities are negatively impacted by a century of burning leaded gasoline start to die off.
I believe it’s something like >95% of people born between 1945 and 1965 that have enough lead in their bodies to be cause for concern.Can’t remember exactly where I read this, but you can do your own Google-Fu.Striking those last couple sentences and just outright saying that over 90% of the entire population born between 1956 and 1976 were exposed to enough lead to raise medical concern in early childhood, according to the table below.
I’m also back to throw in the table/material I’m referencing. If I’m going to make assertions, I should back them up.
And the source: Half of US population exposed to adverse lead levels in early childhood
If you want some idea of how little we cared about lead exposure, just look up the Tar Creek Superfund Site., which turned three nearby populated areas into ghost towns. It’s been reported that children would play on the enormous mounds around Picher, Oklahoma, and those things were covered in lead dust.
It was always that bad, it was just better at hiding it in the past. Anyone who grows up poor has always known what’s up. There’s a reason the crooked rural sheriff meme exists… If it wasn’t for massive amounts of racism folks would probably recognize the same patterns in the cities.
It’s not new, it’s just that the dysfunction got so big that it started impacting the lives of white Liberals. Fuck, go read about native history in the US. They knew what was up from the beginning.
Should… Should we bring democracy to the US by invading them?
Britain did brexit and a bunch of other countries elected right wing nut jobs in response to globalization, not just the us
Fuck off with the “all Americans” garbage you fucking idiot. I don’t even care that it’s obviously bait, anyone who ever implies I voted for that can just end themselves for all I care. Suffering through this shit then being blamed by brainless retards
Liberals: we need drastic change
Also liberals: how dare someone step out of line
Look on the positive side, if he comes back for a second term there’ll probably be death camps so you’ll be killed and won’t have to remember when he becomes president for life.
Put me in a Trump run death camp. Me and all my new pals will be living better than most Americans in the new order within a week. For sure would rather be there than a part of Gilead.
On one hand, I wonder what would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America. On the other hand, I read comments like yours and realize a lot of people are this dumb.
Oh? What did I say that is so dumb?
What would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America
The same exact things that made them disillusioned 6 years ago? Their life is getting worse at an accelerated pace and have been for many decades now. The “System” does not work for them and they are tired of pretending it does.
Despite ‘Bidenomics’ - we, the working class, are poorer now than we have ever been. Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust. Trump represents to them what Bernie represented to Democrats - actual change.
But it doesn’t really matter what I, or anyone else, says. You’ve already decided what you think about all of these people.
Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust.
This is fallacy. It may work to attract a certain type a voter but in practice Trump bends over backwards to appease the GOP. He lines his cabinet and campaign with GOP old guard and is set out to accomplish GOP policy goals. Not once in my interactions with any Trump supporters have they hinted at doing anything that wouldn’t be aligned with typical conservative ideology. Trump is the GOPs creation. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Say what you want about Trump but he was one of the presidents ever
Some things sure did happen
Here you dropped this: worst
I mean andrew jackson was big into genocide.
Yeah, Trump was big into genocide too, of the Yemenese. He personally vetoed a bipartisan resolution passed by congress to condemn the Saudis for their genocide in Yemen
But then we see the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel happening right now, and Biden not only enthusiastically reiterates his support for Israel but works to punishe anyone showing support and solidarity with the victims.
And that is why Biden is polling so low right now.
Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.
I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.
You can add without swapping
Anyone else’s brain autofill an adjective here?
I remember the shitshow. Like in general everywhere and at all times.
Trump was and is a total shitshow. Anybody says otherwise is okay with his crapulence. It’s just a matter of who they hate.
If there is an invisible hand, it needs to stop this. I’ll stop talking to anyone under the age of 28 ever again because if even one of you doesn’t vote I just cannot forgive.
why are the American people not fighting for a vote reform, to make voting on Sunday, like in every reasonable country?
Voting on Tuesdays is just designed to keep normal working people from voting.
How can you all be fine with that?
We Can barely hang on to the shitty voting system we have. I can almost never make it to polls (and often work Sundays) but I used to receive automatic mail in ballots. Now I need to apply for ballots early before each election and many politicians are fighting to make it harder and harder to do mail in. Women’s reproductive rights have back slid, internet freedoms have become restricted, vaccines are being required in schools and hospitals less not more. This guy is talking about progressive reforms and we are here just trying to dig fingernails into basic rights.
A lot of us aren’t fine with it. One side benefits when less people vote. Our government is absolute shit at getting things done because half of politicians elected want to hinder all progress.
So retail workers can’t vote because they work weekends? You’re gonna screw someone over regardless of what day you pick.
In my state we have a minimum of two weeks of early voting including some weekend hours. I’d support some increases, but it’s actually not that hard to vote if you just try.
under the age of 28 ?
It makes extra sense because it includes ages 0-17
I am still lost
Votes for people 0-17 count double so they should vote extra hard.
No I don’t have any idea what they’re talking about either.
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They’re assuming (probably correctly) that a lot of people under 28 won’t vote, and that (probably less correctly) they’d vote Democrat if they did vote. So if Trump wins and they pass a random 28 year old on the street, they’re thinking there’s a good chance that person is partially responsible for Trump’s win.
Appreciate the clarification
As someone from another side of the world 🌎 I have to say that it was quite funny. Like a memexplosion. Granted, he did fuck up everything possible, thus strengthened everyone else.
The only good thing he attempted was a TikTok ban. Should’ve been a short video ban
As someone on this side of the world, it was not funny at all.
no they’re right it was pretty funny
Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.
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Lol Trump still living rent free in y’alls mind. Weak.
