late edit: DISCLAIMER: The pictured map is not actually a representation of the territories before colonisation. It’s a hypothetical map of what countries there might have been had the continent not been colonised, thus all the names and borders are fictional and have never existed.
For good actual maps, check out native-land.ca.
This map has some really weird boundaries that totally don’t match reality. Here’s a more accurate map: https://native-land.ca/
That is a well designed map. Kudos to the creator.
It even has a filter for language distribution over geography!
That makes me so happy and sad at the same time.
Also, the Anasazi died out centuries before Europeans arrived.
Bookmarked, this is amazing
unfortunately it doesn’t seem to work in firefox
Works for me.
Works fine on mobile Firefox for me
Working fine for me, and on mobile too
Not sure if you’re on mobile or desktop, but it works perfectly for me in Firefox on mobile. Screenshot here
Holy cow! This is awesome! Thank you very much for sharing this here!
Even this map is questionable, especially in all of eurasia.
The Sami do not predate the Scandinavians.
Unless I’m remembering middle school wrong, the map seems shy a few hundred tribes.
I also don’t recall there being lines
If you see the lines as approximations, I’m fine with it. There were no borders in the sense that nation states have them today of cause.
i mean a trivial solution to this is to just use colours with a soft gradient at the edges, you have a rough outline but it’s clear that there is no hard border
Sure. It’s a weird concept seeing these ancient people organized with modern standards in a map like this. I’m sure it would have seemed bizarre to them too.
Now show me a map of their power grid. Or wealth inequality. Etc
You want a GDP map of pre-contact America?
But seriously: don’t call them ancient. That compares them to the ancient people of the old world which they are not. They have a unique history. Call them pre-contact or pre-colonialism or pre-Columbus or something next time
Don’t call them people of the old world. That implies the world is only thousands of years old, which it is not.
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And many more tribes and communities were outright murdered by colonizers before they could even be documented. There are plenty of tribes that are just lost to time or we know nearly nothing about because they have no surviving members.
Indigenous peoples also don’t necessarily view tribes, nations, etc as rigid categories where you’re either one or the other, no exceptions. That in fact is the European view where you can only be part of one empire and where every empire seeks to capture as much land and resources for themselves as possible. You’ll notice that the native-land.ca map has tons of overlapping territories.
I think this map tries to apply European notions of borders and nation states where they don’t really apply.
This map is nonsense and implies rigid European borders. It ignored the hundreds of independent tribes on the continent. Comparing illegal immigration with colonizing is stupid too. Also the map implies native people never conquered each other or colonized others land which to be clear, is not justifying later European colonization, but we shouldn’t play into the noble savage trope.
Are there any other white North Americans here that grew up in mild reverence of your alleged mixed Native American heritage, and then find out later (through DNA tests or what have you) that there isn’t even the slightest trace of native in your bloodline, and all of your relatives (who have Cherokee art in their house and shit) have all been terribly misled by some weird family rumor for decades?
Like, I suppose the silver lining here is that it’s probably a good thing to have more white people out there who respect and are sympathetic toward the plight of native genocide, but holy fuck, boys… It doesn’t seem as though anyone in the family has an explanation for it. Every last person just grew up accepting that our Grandmother/Great Grandmother/Family Matriarch was half Cherokee.
It’s my understanding that this is a common thing in Appalachia, and while my family is from the Great Lakes, my Great Grandparents fled Kentucky during or shortly after the Harlan County strikes, so I imagine the rumor began all the way back then. Though this rumor only gets weirder for those familiar with the miner strikers when you note my (confirmed) descendency from one of the primary villains of that period, who was most certainly not of Cherokee blood. But who am I to say whether or not he engaged in coitus and/or matrimony with someone believed to have been.
My family (Appalachia) swears this one or that one was full Cherokee. My dna shows mostly what you’d expect. English, Irish, and Scottish. I also have 1% Nigerian dna. I figure that’s probably it. Someone was making an excuse for being a bit dark. That doesn’t explain how everyone I know is white as snow and claiming native ancestry though.
My wife shows 3% native ancestry, so her people didn’t make it up.
A lot of dna was lost to genocide though, so some can’t be tested for.
Similar story here. Both parents born in Eastern KY in early 1900s, primarily Irish ancestory. On my dad’s side it’s said one of the 5 brothers that came over from Ireland in the early 1800s together married an native American but we’re not sure which one. My dad and I have very dark hair and skin - nobody guesses I’m irish - and little facial hair, so we’d just assumed we must be part of that Native American line. 23andMe says otherwise… no Native American, 75% Irish/English, some French and German… nothing else.
Why the heck am I so dark skinned that people asked if I was Mexican as a kid?
Your French side could also explain dark eyes, as some proportion of Normans are known have black hair and eyes
Thanks for sharing that… I’d never heard of the prehistoric Irish. I have very tan skin but green eyes so not too far off.
Elizabeth Warren
Not to say she gets to claim tribal membership, but her DNA test corroborated her family story. I never understood why she got so much shit for that.
It’s up to the tribe if she can claim membership or not. Many tribes require that you can prove direct descendancy from someone on the final rolls of the Dawes act. No amount of native DNA will gain you access if you can’t prove direct descendancy. Tribes with casinos and casino money are especially guarded about letting people in, sometimes excluding groups who meet the criteria and have proof. There was a group of about 50 people who sued a tribe to be admitted when I was younger. They wanted in, because getting in meant you were financially set for life. They had all the proof needed to get in, but still lost the case. It’s hard to win in court against groups that have billions of dollars, especially if those groups make the rules.
Right, Warren claimed Cherokee ancestry, not tribal membership. A story was passed down in her family and the DNA test results are in line with that story. She learned about the culture, visited the lands, and even published a cringey cookbook. By all accounts, her beliefs about her heritage were sincere and plausible, if embarrassing.
So there’s a lot to unpack here but I’ll give it a try:
- You could have native ancestry even if it doesn’t show up in a DNA test. Consider a person with ancestry A has a kid with someone of another ancestry, whose descendants do not reproduce with another person with ancestry A. Then that ancestry would logically show up in these percentages: 100 50 25 12.5 6.25 3.125 <2 <1… But this assumes that it divides evenly, which it does not. Even if it did though, in this example that ancestry might be undetectable after about 8 generations.
- There’s a lot of “I have a native ancestor” narratives out there. Why? Claims to American legitimacy, alleviation of colonial guilt, that one guy in a feathered headdress cried about littering and I’m sad about it too, etc.
- It doesn’t matter. Ancestry is pointless. Your DNA is just a listing of the traits your body was originally constructed on. If a native couple adopt a white kid and raise them on a reservation that child has had more of the native experience than a white passing person of native ancestry raised in Boston. Even more importantly though, none of it changes the fact that colonialism was a crime, we all should have empathy for its victims, and the way forward is by treating people with respect and dignity and trying to repair the damage while preventing it from happening again.
Yes, everyone in my small town in north Georgia made this claim.
Hah, that’s wild. My dad has an incredible amount of genealogy research (he’s the kind that will go to city halls in bumfuck middle of nowhere) and the instance of Cherokee in our family traces back to late 1800s. I believe it would be my great, great, great grandmother. Her family were survivors of the 1830-1850 genocide (aka the trail of tears), and she was born a while after in Oaklahoma. Her information was recorded because she married a Christian man, under pressure from her parents according to letters found. My grandmother is a member of the tribe in Oaklahoma, for all the good that it does as she never actually did anything with them.
That is exactly what happened to me. I didn’t find out until I took a 23 and me test. I didn’t believe the results, took the Ancestry.com test, got the exact same results. Had some interesting conversations with family after that, but basically, no one is willing to accept it’s been a lie the whole time.
It’s becoming quite the scandal in Canada, where academics are claiming indigenous heritage to get sweet teaching gigs. Buffy St.Marie is the latest greatest liar.
Somewhat similar: I’ve met at least a dozen people who all claim to somehow be related to al capone most likely because of some rumor started in their family 50 years ago.
People/families like feeling special and unique, a inherited culture is one of the easiest ways to achieve that feeling I guess even if faux.
That was me. Grew up thinking that one of my great grandparents was full blooded Cherokee. Took a DNA test only to find out that my DNA only had like 1 or 2 percent Native American DNA.
To be fair, those kinds of numbers are consistent with a Native ancestor maybe 5 or 6 generations in the past. Blood would be diluted by half each generation.
If you assume 20 years/generation, then that’s like 100+ years before you were born. Maybe some time in the 1800s.
Of course that’s an idealized scenario, real life is more messy and uncertain. For example if 2 people that were both half native had children, then the children would also genetically appear to be half native.
Also you never get perfect 50% splitting of genes over many generations because of how genetic recombination works when egg & sperm cells reproduce. The result is that there’s a chance you contain 0% DNA from a distant ancestor. It’s like a 5% chance you have no DNA from a 5x great grandparent. Keep in mind, for an idealized family tree you’ll have more than 100 ancestors at the 5x great grandparent level.
Growing up I recall meeting a lot of people who spoke about their native American heritage, I’d say the majority who made that claim were POC. I wonder if the percentage of people who found out they didn’t have any native genetics in them via testing was similar in POC vs white ethnicity’s.
Are there any other white North Americans here that grew up in mild reverence of your alleged mixed Native American heritage, and then find out later (through DNA tests or what have you) that there isn’t even the slightest trace of native in your bloodline, and all of your relatives (who have Cherokee art in their house and shit) have all been terribly misled by some weird family rumor for decades?
That was true of my wife. Her mother refuses to believe the DNA results.
Choctaw nation would like a word
That was one of two that jumped out as absent for me. Seminole was the other.
Seriously!!! Ironic that a map in this context erases one of the major nations in the South East.
Haida Gwaii is the name of the island, not the nation. And the Salish are coastal. Totally wrong. :/
It is the name of the island. But not Vancouver Island.
Yeah, sorry if I wasn’t clear. Haida Gwaii isn’t even on the map!
No. The interior Salish extend right to the Kootenays.
Ah, okay. Goes to show about being an overconfident white dude.
My wife is Ojibwe and her tribe illegally migrated several hundred miles west about one generation before Europeans arrived, taking land that belonged to other natives.
Illegally? What law did they violate?
One from the Council of Three Fires?
I lived up there (northern MN and WI) and there’s a surprising amount of tension between Natives and Caucasians… then I found out that fact, that they’d come over and kicked out other tribes based on some wild rice vision, and was wtf?
Every single person alive lives on land that has been “stolen” at least a time or two in our history. Focusing only on the horror of Europeans colonization is just one more way in which white people put themselves at the center of the human story.
I assure you that people with skin of every color have fought wars of conquest. It is not some special trick that only white Europeans could do.
Blaming white people for blaming white people is a bit odd. They get a lot of flak from all over.
@Pohl sure, but the reason European colonization of other places is focused on so much is due to scale and technology.
Scale and tech are what separates, say, the Shoah from Russian pogroms.
Scale and tech are also why so many people are still living with the aftermath. And that aftermath is why it’s still relevant.
I’m not sure about some of this, like Anasazi were not contemporaneous with the other tribes listed.
Looks like a fictional alternative timeline map.
If I’m not mistaken, the name too means “Ancient Enemies” in Navaho.
Why do you have the Aztec Empire extended into the Chihuahua Desert? That’s Chichimeca territory. Why are the Tarascans removed from the map?
Why is Haida Gwaii covering half of BC when the island they’re from isn’t even on the map?
They penciled in “Olmec Kingdom”. That’s like me going over to a map of Greece and writing Mycenae.
I’m glad they colonizers brought some large bodies of fresh water with them at least.
history civilis had a great breakdown of the politics and organization of the iroquois confederacy. Different ways to govern and balance power.
The best square based history entertainment on YouTube.
Now do the ones before them.
Poor Beothuk
immigration and colonialism are different things
