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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish • 2 years ago

Waiting For the Fall

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Waiting For the Fall

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish • 2 years ago
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  • @marcuse1w@lemmy.ml
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    11•2 years ago

    What do you hope comes after it ?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      6•2 years ago

      Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

      • @trailing9@lemmy.ml
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        3•2 years ago

        You can have cooperatives right now.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          -2•2 years ago

          The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can’t do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

          • @trailing9@lemmy.ml
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            1•2 years ago

            Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              0•2 years ago

              The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don’t bother investing in coops. You’ve obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

              • @trailing9@lemmy.ml
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                1•2 years ago

                No I haven’t.

                But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

                Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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                  I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don’t issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

      • @icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works
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        2 years ago

        No ofense but…

        LoL.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          -2•2 years ago

          Laugh while you can.

          • @icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works
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            2 years ago

            Ok

    • nevial
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      5•2 years ago

      Winter

    • @DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
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      -5•2 years ago

      Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.

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        • @DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
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          Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

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            • @DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
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              You think there is no authority in anarchist government? Have you ever read about horizontal-democracies?

              Anarchist just means “against coercive authorities” namely “centralized and hierarchical governance”

              You realize the fediverse that creates lemmy is an anarchist structure right?

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