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I cancelled Netflix and prime and went back to piracy a few months ago, it’s been a nice blast from the past
I’m about ready to do the same.
I bought a raspberry pi, a SATA SSD and usb adaptor, and installed Plex now I’m the new netflix for my family, they send me movies and shows they want to watch and I put them on there, then they connect to my server and watch
It’s been really good
Netflix will also be raising prices soon. Again.
Netflix recently stopped shipping discs, that was all I kept them around for anymore…
In addition to piracy, I’ve also been checking out DVDs from my local library. It’s kinda fun.
Surprised myself because I half expected I’d miss the convenience of Netflix, but I haven’t missed it even a little.
“Was I a good streaming platform?”
“No.”
The benefit of the library DVD is it takes away the “What will we watch tonight?” conversation. You’re going to watch the DVD.
It just switches the question to the library: “What will we borrow tonight?”
Source: experience from my Blockbuster days.
I’m just always spooked by viruses and shit.
Use yts.mx, if you use any other site, try checking comments first if they have them, if not you can use torrent file viewer to check the download is actually a video file before downloading
Lastly you could try anti virus, but don’t rely on it to do your job for you, they can catch most but not always all viruses
shitty ad-ridden torrent site
let me introduce you to usenet trackers
That was my first thought too. A seedbox, Sonarr & Radarr and a Usenet site and I’ve got everything I need for $15/month.
What is seedbix, sonarr &radarr?
A seedbox is access to a server that someone else runs, and they typically have a policy of not asking too many questions, not keeping too many logs, and offer assistance in keeping things secure. It can be used for any number of things. I use mine to host bit torrent files and to run applications such as Sonarr & Radarr. These are open source apps that manage TV shows and movies.
I don’t even have to torrent, I have like 3 sites I can just go to, search for content on, and stream video from like a shittier netflix. Adblock keeps them relatively sane, and I sometimes have to try different server sources, but otherwise it works fine.
If you can’t save it, its not yours. Sail the seas.
Or buy it on physical media. More and more studios are pulling their disks and it is getting harder to find. If you have a disk, it can never be recalled.
Ever since Disney announced they are also going to ban account sharing, I’ve been going to thrift stores and grabbing any DVDs my children like or might like. I’ve gotten quite a few classics so far for less than the cost of one month of Disney+. I almost bought a VCR because the VHS collection at thrift stores here is huge and they are so cheap, but rewinding sucks.
I don’t think you realize how unwatchably blurry VHS is. I can’t believe we ever watched those things now.
DVD is still a bit of a nuisance because of aspect ratios and they’re a little blurry because SD, but VHS is just garbage.
I still have my CRT and old game consoles and use them sometimes. The blurriness with the games doesn’t bother me, but maybe a movie would be worse. I am constantly forgetting my glasses though so I’m kind of used to blurry. I still might grab a VCR if I see one, though, just to show my children what it was like when I was a kid. Could be fun.
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The ability to hear this comment is dependent on the reader’s age in a rather interesting way.
Nothing better than a 15625hz sawtooth tone.
VHS can look as good as DVD (or better in cases where the DVD was poorly mastered), but there aren’t many good VCRs out there anymore. A well maintained VHS tape and VCR can give you a great capture. https://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/video-restore/1567-vcr-buying-guide.html
Maybe look into the cost of transferring those vhs to dvds/memory sticks. It might be worth the cost if you buy enough VHS tapes.
smart move. make sure to back up everything on multiple hard drives.
I’m the worst at backups…
I haven’t looked into it, but doesn blu ray need some kind of connectivity to manage its cryptography?
The encryption keys are stored on the disk I believe. I use MakeMKV and load the files into my media center software (Jellyfin). That works for DVDs, Blu-rays and 4K disks just fine. Every once in a while if I get a 4K early, the keys haven’t been updated yet and I have to give it a day (usually less) before it rips.
technically you dont own the disks either bro have you never read the back of a DvD box
I mean, yeah, but so what? We are talking about an article where Amazon pulled a video someone purchased down so they can never watch it again. I have never heard of a company recalling physical media and demanding it’s return.
But it can just stop playing… I have a handful of discs, still in cases, look pristine, no scratches, and yet can’t be read by either my computer or DVD player. No recourse. It’s a separate problem of course, but similar.
Disks can degrade or be manufactured badly. If they never play you can usually get a warranty replacement. Old disks can degrade, but I have many 20+ year old DVDs that play fine.
Kinda crazy that pirates have more ownership over media than people buying it 😂
This is a non-story.
“Who knew $EvilCo would fuck me over for a sub-$10 profit?!”
I never stopped stealing media, and I never will.
you can’t steal media, it’s still there but just copied over.
Sucks for online games though…
Unless you can physically hold an offline device containing everything you need to replay it you don’t own it.
According to my local (Dutch) laws, I don’t need to own a physical copy. A YouTube purchase is sufficient for me to legally download a copy over p2p, I’m just not allowed to upload it.
We’re still being charged “thuiskopie” taxes on storage devices, so I’m still allowed to make copies for personal use, either via the app I bought it on, or as an MKV found on torrent sites.
This is banking on someone else providing the data you want when you want it. Things on torrent sites do disappear especially if they are more niche media.
Yeah, but I usually buy it somewhere and then torrent it. Except for YouTube, most UIs aren’t all that dashing (or just slow, like Prime).
Amazon’s Music service, while it takes some hoops to jump through, actually does let you download music. Though I don’t know if that’s a general policy or on a per music/per artist basis.
and save outside of their app as a non DRM’ed file because otherwise its extra hoops for the same problem
Everything should allow you to download what you purchased. The fact that the music industry has pushed streaming so goddamn hard is because they’re mad that people can still download MP3s.
And above all of this, let’s not forget that a major negotiating point of the Hollywood strike was getting residuals per stream, something that never existed when people actually had their own media. It’s greed on every single side in that corrupt, hell town and I’m at the point where I don’t even watch TV or movies any more, not only because it all sucks, but because of this bullshit. The greed and the corruption needs to be punished.
Why is owning sth you might watch once every 10 years so important? I don’t care about it, as long as it isn’t some niche content or stuff I watch every year.
Because paying actual money for something that can be taken away with the changing of ever shifting IP ownership and steaming rights is a giant waste of money.
I disagree. Like I said, I don’t need to ‘own’ something I rarely use. I’m fine just borrowing it for a couple of days as well.
It’s easy to scoff at this whole “You will own nothing, and you will be happy” phrase, but it’s really gone too far already.
I’m really tired of hearing “you don’t own it you own a license to it” like it’s some revelation for people complaining. We’re aware that the system has been constructed to benefit media companies at the expense of consumers.
To be honest; I never really bought the argument anyway. From a legal standpoint I don’t give half a shit. From a layman’s standpoint it’s bullshit. Nowhere do they use terms like “rent” or “lease”. They explicitly use terms like “buy” and it’s not until the fine print that the term license even comes up.
They know they’re pissing on you and telling you it’s raining and the goobers doing their legwork by repeating the sentence like they just came up with it annoy me to no end.
Nowhere do they use terms like “rent” or “lease”. They explicitly use terms like “buy” and it’s not until the fine print that the term license even comes up.
This! It really should be illegal to present something with the phrasing “buy” unless it is provided to you via a license that prevent it from being withdrawn. To “sell” cloud hosted media without having the licensing paperwork in place for it to be a sale is fraud.
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Guns don’t kill people… I do.
Yeah, I understand that hearing the same simple explanation of “you don’t own it…” gets to be annoying. Especially in places like this where most people are pretty well aware of the situation.
The primary issue seems to be that enough people support this type of service willingly for the sake of convenience and are generally ignorant to the potential long-term issues. It feels pretty exploitative as a consumer.
But I don’t see how making the distinction between ownership of the content vs the license is providing legwork for those services. In my mind, that distinction is key for understanding that the service is not for me. And I may just be looking at this too optimistically, but I would hope the same would be true for users who don’t read the fine print, or happen to have not understood the issue until something like this post is presented.
This sounds worse than communism. At least communism said “everyone will own everything”.
Not the collective ownership of everything, just the collective ownership (and eventual abolition) of private property, which differs from personal property in that they are assets which are used for the purpose of capital accumulation (e.g factories, real estate, farms, supermarkets, etc.)
We’ve been screaming about it for 20+ years now and no one seems to be listening.
I’m hoping that someone will tie digital ownership rights to a block chain sooner or later and offer me movies, music, games and books that I can actually own resale rights to - but as publishers are already drinking from the rent-seeking model teat where every single license is a new sale I’m not terribly optimistic about that particular future.
block chain
No. Never. Stop asking. Crypto is not a currency and blockchain is a solution in search of a problem.
Well put
Adding blockchain into the mix changes nothing. Whether your digital ownership is stored in their centralized database or a distributed database, they still have control over everything because they’re the ones streaming it to you. They can just as well block your access & block resale.
The only way to actually digitally own something is to have a full DRM-free copy of it (ianal though this still might not be enough to allow resale).
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Adding blockchain into the mix changes nothing. Whether your digital ownership is stored in their centralized database or a distributed database, they still have control over everything because they’re the ones streaming it to you. They can just as well block your access & block resale.
So you push digital goods to a robust public platform like IPFS and tie decryption to a signed, non-revokable, rights token that you own on a block chain. It’s a transparent and consumer friendly model compared to what we accept now. I know people are over block chain hype but this type of publishing model is where it’s actually useful.
Transferable digital rights tokens and chain of custody are places where block chain tech actually works.
Edit: People seem really hung up on crypto as currency which I’m not asking for at all. I’m asking for control, ownership and resale rights to digital goods I’ve paid for which isn’t possible at all on current digital publishing platforms. I appreciate that people hate crypto shit, that’s fine, but at least read the content you’re replying to.
This doesn’t make any sense, who distributes/gives out rights tokens? And if they lose publishing rights, why would the new owner of the publishing rights care about the rights tokens they didn’t sell?
Blockchain doesn’t fix anything new here, there’s no point in decentralizing the rights ownership, verifying ourselves as owners of the right to watch the media was never the issue here.
Getting companies to be willing to give out non revokable rights tokens is the issue, and no company wants to do that because it’s not profitable for them. It’s not a technological issue that blockchain is going to solve
Fuck no. I ain’t paying a transaction fee each time I want to take a breath. If you don’t want to be robbed by streaming companies, blockchain is the last (or maybe not even a) thing you should consider as a solution.
Hyperbole much?
It’s only hyperbole until it isn’t.
So you push digital goods to a robust public platform like IPFS and tie decryption to a signed, non-revokable, rights token that you own on a block chain.
What you describe is fundamentally impossible. In order to decrypt something you need a decryption key. Put that on the blockchain and anyone can decrypt it.
Even if you can, pirates would only need to buy a single decryption key and suddenly your movie might as well be freely available to download. Pirates never pay hosting fees because it’s using the same infrastructure as customers and they can’t be taken down because they’re indistinguishable from customers.
it’s quite fun to see the whole thing you want to engineer just to have an excuse to use a blockchain.
Have you ever heard of Torrents? USENET? eDonkey? Those things are more resilient than your blockchain, they’ve proved themselves by being around more than 20 years and still in use.
I think it makes sense in some areas. For example private ownership of cars is completely unsustainable in the literal sense of the word.
But when it comes to digital goods, clearly it’s all for the profit of the media cartels. There’s no justification.
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Agreed that majority transport should be shared&public but smaller personalized transport will still be needed (eg a doctor being called to an emergency)
I could also see a system of self driving cars (not trucks but very small city cars) as a kind of public uber. Kind of like how gondolas work in some mountain cities. And of course just one per let’s say 10 or more people as opposed to 1 or more cars per family like we have now.
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That’s the real danger. Shared ownership is great but not if you privatise the whole thing.
You don’t own the video file. You own access to their video file, which they also don’t own, they only own the right to distribute it. If their distribution contract ends and doesn’t gets renewed, then they can’t let you access the file. At least they refunded you. This system is one of the issues with the ongoing writers and actors strikes. Amazon can decide to stop making a video available, which cuts all dividends revenues to actors and writers. So having a video available for you to watch costs money to Amazon (or Netflix or Max…) but not enough content makes users unsubscribe, so they ride that thin line for maximized revenue. This means that older movies that aren’t blockbusters get dropped in favor of new content. Now new content doesn’t means good content, remember, it needs to be as cheap as possible. Aaand this is why steaming companies are spiraling down and everything is going to shit. Filmmaking is an art form turned into an industry. But art isn’t about maximized profit, it’s about art first. But you can’t make that art without millions of dollars and that requires the art to take a step back to maximize profit, but not too far back. It’s a really big issue in the film and entertainment industry.
— I’m an IATSE local 600 camera operator.
Gift card. GIFT CARD! Those bastards “refund” with gift card instead of actual money! I hope EU will haunt their asses. Big corpro hunting season is open.
Sometimes I think I made the right decision to just get a huge harddrive and download all my favorite entertainment in drm free format. Movies, music, games, books. I saw this coming a mile away a decade ago. The only thing that will really hurt me is if/when Steam inevitably goes full corporate cucks and starts going hard on the DRM locking down my library.
Yep. I’m 100Tb deep into that rabbit hole.
I love my Plex library. I use YouTube Music because I think it’s more convenient and fair for the price. It’s one service for basically all music. Movies and shows, on the other hand, is an absolute cluster fuck. I’m perfectly happy to pay for good content, but I’m not okay with paying for 10 services where the content keeps shifting and disappearing and being retroactively edited so as not to offend “modern audiences.”
Valve turned me from gaming pirate to VERY solid customer. Spotify turned me from music pirate to customer. I am patiently waiting for the visual media industry to pull their heads out of their asses.
If you have enough technical computer knowledge to put commands in a terminal I highly recommend you check out and install Youtube-dlp (yt-dlp) I am an avid hoarder of music on my mp3 player and love being able to download a whole playlist from youtube (and other sites like bandcamp, soundcloud, vimeo, ect) and have it auto convert to music format and optionally number them in playlist order, with one command. It works with windows and most operating systems.
The best part is that theres no illegal activity involved. It uses the same technologies and rules a web browser uses to download and stream stuff normally.
I appreciate that, but unless you can automate it through an iPhone app, I’m not interested. My life is complicated enough and I want my music access to be seamless.
There are many websites that exist that act as web front ends for youtube-dl/dlp you may want to give consideration to such as https://youtubemp3free.com/en/ Unfortunately these tend to be very slow to convert as they have a lot of people using them all the time.
Many invidious instances/websites offer video+audio format download functionality. If you don’t know what invidious is its a free and open source front end/scrapper for youtube that usually offers a better user experience than youtube premium. Here is a list of all public instances, vid.puffyan.us is my go-to but is currently having rate-limiting issues for being too popular so the vid download function is broken. However I managed to get another instance, https://invidious.slipfox.xyz/feed/popular to download a vids audio in .mp4 format.
There is also piped, similar to invidious in spirit and function but is built with different video extraction technology under the hood, based off the very popular NewPipe app and developed by the same team. Here is a list of public piped instances. piped.video is the most popular instance and you have probably seen a lemmy bot in the comments provide a piped alternative link whenever someone links a youtube url. Download is also hit or miss youll have to try a few piped instances yourself to find one that works probably.
Unfortunately your options are rather limited because IOS is so locked down. If you had said android instead I could offer you more and much better options but well it is what it is. I hope that you at least try out some invidious or piped instances and find one you really like.
If you want to be sold a little bit more on using invidious or piped, here is louis rossmann talking about why he ditched yt premium for it and why he recommends his viewers do the same regardless of his ‘loss’ in ad revenue
Thank you very much :)
You’re welcome! 😎
Can you save your steam games on a hard drive? I’m really interested in this possibility,I would also like to preserve some of my games on MY hardware
Yes you can install steam games on an external drive or seperate partition, but it still requires you to sign into account to access them, and if you try to say play the same game on two different computers at the same time with the same account steam will force you to close one of them. I recommend buying games off GOG when you can since they are truly DRM free you may not get cloud saves or workshop content but you aren’t being bossed around by steam either.
You don’t really have to be connected to steam because they actually allow DRM-free games iirc. Obviously it depends on the game.
There are many DRM free games on steam. Not quite as good as gog of course.
They removed books from your Kindle in the past. Who could have seen this comming?
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Mofos
Return me ALL my money for that, fuck your girftcard coupon shit! That is the least you can do and still doesn’t change the fact that I can’t buy to own anything there, so why the fuck would I?
Jellyfin and torrents for the win!
Gift cards and store credit are such a kick to the balls. Unless they let you buy shit AT COST then they’re literally not out anything.
They gave the guy £10.99 in credit for a £5.99 film, so they’re probably taking some sort of loss.
Admittedly, I missed the second £5. That said, don’t you need to pay for a Prime subscription to get access to this service in the first place? They’re gonna get that money back pretty quickly.
They gave him regular Amazon credit, so he can spend it on physical goods if he likes.
The house always wins.
It’s store credit in principle it costs them nothing
Do you think Amazon gets its goods for free?
I buy DVDs for this reason now
Dvds won’t last years either unless you copy them over
Nevermind the fact that the standard definition playback looks like a smeared turd when you play it on a modern high resolution display. I’ll stick to ripping Blu-ray.
I think when someone casually says DVD they’re including Blu-ray, like if you say Kleenex, you might be talking about Puffs or Scott or something else…
Nope, DVDs are like $3-5. I don’t care about resolution. I watch old shitty movies.
They generally credit the original payment method. It could be likely that he paid for the movie using an Amazon giftcard balance.
You’re saying you can’t buy to own anything… at Amazon?
Every day on the internet, a lucky 10,000 get to learn “common knowledge” for the very first time.
Like everyone said 50 times, yar har be pirate, all that.
Or, buy hard copy, which is refusing to completely die because of this shit, right here.
BUT, you have to make sure the data is on the hard copy and that you can access the data (play the songs, watch the movie, etc) WITHOUT internet access, that is you have to make sure the hard copy of the media is really on the damn disc, and it’s not just a glorified access key to media that will then be streamed from their servers they control. If it is then do not pay for it.
This is honestly why vinyl is still a thing, once you rip things back out of the digital realm it gets a lot harder for them to pull bullshit, they pretty much have to put the songs on the wax if they want your $40, and they do, oh boy they do they want that money bad.
Piracy is always a bigger pain in the ass than internet techies act like. No, I don’t want to buy a Plex server and learn how to use it and learn how to make my own VPN and make sure the VPN doesn’t just report my activity to 7 Eyes or whatever that things called and and and and, and results like “my movie got unbought” are also unacceptable.
Yes, we know, there are “special” websites that you can just surf to and it’s like a janky Netflix that “just works” so long as you already know the name of the thing you intend to watch, otherwise it’s just a blank search bar. Also, you cannot tell other people about the website or the website gets taken down. Nothing is more useful than a website that you absolutely can’t tell people about, wow, what a problem solver that is.
“I want to watch a movie” is a very “This activity must offer zero friction, I will only accept push button get movie” kind of activity so, yeah. “Be pirate” is not that useful, it’s just the internet’s go-to answer, they always speak loudly for the tiny minority in this place.
What we’re actually doing is drastically limiting our spending on any of this type of thing, and never, ever pay money to “own” something digital. That era is over. It sucks, but it’s yet another shitty thing that would take bullets to change, and since it’s not worth bullets it’s not changing.
Honestly I doesn’t even take bullets but if you’re going to build the kind of political movement it would take to create change then all that work would be absolutely wasted on this problem while everyone eyerolls at you like you’re stupid and worthless for caring so yeah, it’s not changing.
So yeah, do not pay for digital ownership of any kind, ever. It’s only ever a lease with one-sided terms, at best. Amazon lost the contractual right to provide that movie, so you lost the right to watch it, and “buying” it meant buying a license to watch it on their terms, the end. Don’t pay for it.
Yeah that’ll happen for anything streamed and licensed.
If you want to own something, you need to own it physically. Buy an actual disk. People won’t and I’ll be surprised if they are still making blurays at all in ten years but that’s the only way you can actually buy media now.
I’m actually still kinda surprised about this. My understanding is that the licenses from rights holders to streaming platforms generally included an indefinite right to stream to people who’d purchased content, even if they may not offer it for continued purchase or as part of the general included streaming library.
That’s definitely how it works with games on Steam or GOG.
Unless you bought after-market keys like on G2A and it turned out to be stolen/keygen’d. Valve will remove your game if your key is found to be stolen (whether you knew it or not). I imagine you know this but just felt it bore mentioning.
Good point, yes, that’s an exception. A justified one if you’d ask me but I guess YMMV.
iTunes as well. There are a few things I can still stream that are no longer sold.
Streaming isn’t the same as downloading. It has different rights and with movies it’s especially complicated. The rights to a movie can literally be so complicated that no one knows who owns it.
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If you want to own something, you need to own it physically.
Minor sticking point: it’s still a “limited license.” You don’t really “own” anything and if that physical copy is damaged or destroyed you’re just SOL.
Streaming, digital, physical, everything has a drawback! Backups are your friend.
Yes, you don’t own the copyright. You do own the physical disk, and you also have a right to backup a personal copy.
It’s not a sticking point, it’s a feature. Take care of your shit just like all your other shit. No one says it’s a sticking point to say that a kettle you buy could break, that’s just normal part of ownership of a thing.
Feature, sticking point, call it what you want. I’m just saying there’s nuance to it.
Wow. This is why owning DVDs is better. And if you can’t buy, download via torrents. Imagine these bastards rolling up to your home and reclaiming a movie you physically purchased. We gave them too much power. Time to withdraw it. Convenience is not worth this shit. Get uncomfortable and get your entertainment away from these streamers who don’t give customers what they paid for.
DVD rental stores could surely make a comeback given these new developments. Libraries still loan movies as well. Remember, Barnes & Noble didn’t run all independent bookstores out of business. And after Amazon savaged Barnes & Noble, Amazon Books suddenly came into existence (2015 - 2022). Greed driven corporations aren’t the answer.
Digital is the way to go - who knows how long DVD will be a viable format. Hard media formats come and go.
It still comes down to choosing convenience over not being taken advantage of. Building a computer, for example, has many benefits over buying one. It’s a matter of what a person places value on.
Why follow corporations’ timelines for obsolescence? I’m sure if they could erase the technology of media players from people’s minds, corporations would. Best to keep people completely hooked up and dependent on their “services” so they can be milked of their money continuously.
As long as the method and means to play the media is available, physical is my preference. Vinyl, CDs, DVDs. Cassettes and VHS quality over time leaves much to be desired and is the only reason why I wouldn’t add them to the list.
These aren’t dependent on a network, internet, cloud. Own forever, build and repair.
DVD is digital, lol. And nothing stops you from dumping entire DVD.
He got his money back and a 5dollar gift code. Shit happens
I did miss the refund? It’s just an in-store credit
So you’re saying it’s relatively cheap for the privilege of being in an abusive relationship?
Abusive is a perfect description. Exploitative too. I’ve always viewed store credit as a sucky
refundpolicy. Offline. Whenever I discovered these, usually because I needed to return something, these shops lost my business.And the above is not even the same situation when you really look at it. This person didn’t want to return something. They made a purchase they wanted to keep. Then Amazon just said, “oh, we’re repossessing that media and keeping your money. Feel free to use this store credit on something else for which we can repeat this scenario all over again at will. Have a great day!”
Putting aside why the system is setup that someone’s digital purchase can even be revoked at all which is another topic all together; Every refund I’ve ever gotten from Amazon came in the form of whatever I used to pay for it. So it’s possible that OP bought the movie originally with Amazon Credit and therefore was refunded Amazon Credit.
Companies LOVE punishing their customers while the pirates sail on without trouble
Punishing them by giving them £5? The bastards.
Is he not paying a monthly subscription on top of all this? They’re getting their money back pretty quickly.
Again, he got a full refund AND £5. He lost nothing of value.
He would have to pay a monthly fee regardless of these events in order to watch the movie he bought. Now he doesn’t have to, since he can’t.
I suppose you’re right.
I think in supposed to double down when I’m wrong on the internet… “How dare you make such outlandish claims! I’d Bezos doesn’t send the user £1M plus a ticket for a space trip, then the user shouldn’t settle!”
Was that good? 🤣
Are you fine with me taking anything from your home as long as I pay you the purchase price + £5? Some of us assign a greater value to some of the things we own than the purchase price.
Lol. “Taking from your home”. Last time I checked, my home didn’t have a monthly access fee for me to use the things I bought.
Now he is freed from that requirement as well. A triple win.
What are you talking about? Amazon’s digital video purchases don’t require any monthly access fee. He paid £5.99 with the idea that he’ll get to keep it indefinitely, just like a physical DVD. I don’t get why you think it is ok for a seller to revert the sale of a digital item at any time for just the purchase price + £5 but (I presume?) not other sales?
Ignoring all the rest, the issue is simply that it was never bought. He bought a licence to access it. If he expected to “keep” anything, he was an idiot.
I don’t think it’s okay, but if I’m dumb enough to waste money on this stuff, it’s nice to get something extra for my stupidity.
Digital goods are just not physical goods, you don’t really own them - which also mean you can’t really steal them.
Yep that’s why I don’t understand all those people with Kindles and huge Amazon book collections. They can literally take it all away on a whim. If I want to own a book I’ll purchase a physical copy, but ebooks? High seas for me. I feel like a ‘free’ ePub in my Dropbox is safer than whatever proprietary format in my Amazon account.
Edit - getting mostly replies defending ebooks and stating disadvantages of physical books (also, yeah I know books “aren’t for showing of” lol, like that’s the only reason for owning a book).
Just want to add I have both and get their pros and cons. I read tons on my ereader too, just not a Kindle because fuck that closed system, it’s not for me (for reasons mentioned above).
Some people just want to read books and not collect them. My dad is 73 years old and reads tons of books on his Kindle. It’s not like he’s going to read them a second time, so why bother with a print copy and huge library space?
He also needs the accessibility features because ilhevis legally blind and cannot read print books.
Yep that’s why I don’t understand all those people with Kindles and huge Amazon book collections.
It’s convenient, that what most people care about. But yeah, convincing people that making a copy of something you arguably own is a crime - that is some next level gaslighting on societal level.
Well I use the nodrm plugin and Calibre to strip the drm from all my Amazon ebook purchases and back them up both on my own machine and to the cloud storage provider I use. Only reason I buy Amazon’s ebooks is because they are normally the easiest to strip of drm, and very few ebook authors don’t use drm.
Physical books are certainly nice, but id rather save the space/weight for things I cherish instead of things I merely own so I can consume their content whenever I’d like. Books are for reading, not for showing off.
I do the same with DVD’s and blue-ray. Frankly, I think digital ‘purchases’ should be included in that fair-use exception, even if that hasn’t been tested in court. I don’t think it’s been established that digital media qualifies under the fair-use exception of stripping DRM, since each distributor also has a ToS that specifies the ‘legal’ arrangement of the purchase. I would hope those ToS’s would not stand in court against existing DMCA precedent, but I don’t have a lot of confidence.
If they were to ever officially disallow it, I think piracy would be 100% morally justified.
Yeah if nodrm is ever killed by a DMCA action I’d be turning to my local library and Zlibrary (or whatever the closest alternative is today l don’t know if Zlibrary still exists or not) exclusively.
If the book publishers are smart they won’t kill drm stripping software as nobody who strips drm is gonna keep buying ebooks if they can’t do that, the people that don’t care already just buy their ebooks because it’s stupidly convenient compared to piracy, and often not that expensive anyway.
No argument here, except with ebooks i think there’s little in the way of alternatives if they kill the ability to strip drm. There are simply too many books to reasonably distribute pirated copies if only a handful of people know how to do it. At least with video media there’s easily rippable DVD formats, but with books there’s basically no reasonable way to create an ebook from a hardcopy.
If they kill ebook drm removers I think they’d be largely successful in increasing ebook sales. There’d be a fair number of people who would return to renting from a library, and even fewer that would resort to piracy, but largely I think normal people would continue buying ebooks.
Don’t tell them i said that though.
I’m 99% sure it won’t have much of a positive impact in sales simply because the majority of ebook buyers don’t care about DRM anyway, only the minority of us bother to strip DRM. So while it wouldn’t be a large drop in sales I do think it would still be a drop. It might not be enough of a loss for them to care, and tbh as you said it would probably only result in a mild increase in piracy while the majority either do library loans or switch to paper.
I don’t think that those of us who care enough to jump through the hoops to strip DRM are just gonna roll-over and accept that the publishers can yoink our entire libraries whenever they see fit, but I do admit most don’t care. However those that don’t care aren’t stripping DRM anyway, they are just relying on the ability to redownload their books whenever they wish from Amazon/Kobo/Nook.
The only books I have physical copies of are for ttrpgs. And even then I have a digital copy.
I always thought the idea of IP laws punishing you for copying a file based on lost revenue, when you never would have bought it in the first place anyway, to be a bit off. You only got it because it was free.
Can’t have shit in the cloud
The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised by this. If you buy a physical book from anywhere, you own it. If you “buy” the rigth to play a movie (or read a book) from amazon, you own nothing. Usually they don’t show that so clearly but that’s the reality.
