My opinion:
I think this community should ban political memes, and instead have another community for only political memes. I’m from Costa Rica and I don’t care about the USA politics or stuff
I am also from the 97 fuckin percent of every human on the planet that couldn’t give a shit about US politics
US politics affect the rest of humans on the planet so I’d probably say it’s worth paying attention to. But I do like the idea of a separate political memes community so that the people have a choice.
Right? It’s such a US way of thinking to assume the entire world needs to hear about your issues.
You don’t really get that by banning a topic, but rather by fostering a culture where that sort of thing is frowned upon.
And you can foster it with rules and moderation.
But but… landlord bad? capitalism also bad??
“Political Memes” is extremely vague. I opened the community, and this was the 3rd meme that came up. Just to show you that it doesn’t take much to find an example that really blurs the line of what would be a political meme and what isn’t.
As a representative of slrpnk.net, yeah, it’s a fair bit political
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I hope it was one of those poops where you felt lighter afterwards, and that wiping afterwards wasn’t an ordeal
That was… extremely nice of you to say.
You better have a bidet, since it reduces paper consumption which is better for the environment.
Fuck I did the thing
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No, that’s not what they mean.
Hmmmmm you sould like a rightoid 🧐🤔 /s
Isn’t there literally a community called politicalmemes because people wanted to sort these into another place?
At this point you’re not even posting to be funny, you’re just posting to be annoying.
some would even consider it not only annoying, but spamming as well
Jesus christ you’re insufferable.
We all know Jesus can’t save us now.
You better watch out. It takes Jesus 4.5 seconds to get to earth
Shit, he’s closer than the sun! How long is it relative to him?
I reject this! This sounds edgy but muddies the water and distracts as to recognize what politics is. Politics is everything regarding decision-making in groups! not more not less. Recognize when that’s the case and fight!
I think our definitions of politics are fundamentally different.
I would say politics is the struggle for power.
Power is an underlying factor across all of society so politics affects everything.
I think our definitions of politics are fundamentally different.
I think that’s cos you sound like you’re 12 mate lmao
If you want to understand why the other definition is more useful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjcmDGY2vA
Me so hungy, me so hungy!
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The very fact you’re able to do all of this is an effect of politics. And there are people that also would like to have similar rights to exist the way the feel is right for them, but they can’t.
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The very fact that they’re able to do all of this is also an effect of the mitochondria in their cells. But if people tell me to stop talking about mitochondria 24/7, then I should just find a group of other mitochondria enthusiasts to interact with instead of ranting about how I’m ““right”” to make everything about mitochondria.
You’ve got a point but they kinda are y’know, the powerhouse of the cell
Freedom of association = (meeting with friends) that’s definitely political
Barbecue = relatively safe to use and won’t explode because of government regulation, politics.
Jalapeño poppers = safe to eat due to food safety standards, again politics.
Conversation with friends = regulated by societal norms and acceptable behaviours, an output of the political environment - ‘let’s not talk about Trump or abortion to keep it “civil”’
Games/books/puzzle = function of the economy regulated by the government and laws. Consumer protections etc etc
I know you’re trying to be dismissive and funny but yeah…you’re just proving the point.
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Does anyone ever talk to you in real life?
Absolutely.
Imaginary friends count right?
Hey son how about we stay out of politics or whatnot and focus on this nice family time?
Normal response: Okay sorry dad, guess I was making everyone uncomfortable. It was just one of my hills to die on. So how’s the food?
OP’s response: But everything is political? How do you taste of that animal exploits cooked with nature crushing electricity dipped in yet another animal cruelty and forced labor? Family? What is family anyway? Do you realize that by forcing me to have a nice family time is actually only beneficial to fat capitalists? These things matter. And if you don’t want to hear these wherever you go then it’s your problem not mine.
“Everything is political” shares the same vibes:
I agree. It’s like sometimes you just want to go for a walk and there’s some guy following you around screaming EvErYtHiNg Is PhYsIcS just to remind you that there are physical laws to explain the world around you. Just shut up and let me walk in peace sometimes.
You’re very fortunate that you can take the time to ignore those politics. For many people, these issues affect them to such an extent that they can’t be ignored at all. As for the amount of memes challenging the status quo here… well… if you’re on Lemmy, the status quo didn’t work for you either.
“Political Memes” is extremely vague. To demonstrate, I opened the community, and this was the 3rd meme that came up. Imo this blurs the line or what counts as political. I’m sure you can find many others.
I was once up in some reddit thread during the George Floyd protests/defunding the police, and some dipshit had the lack of education to earnestly say “since when is the police a political issue?”
My dude. They share a the same root word.
Bad meme and bad opinion.
No u
I disagree.
You’re wrong.
Not a little wrong, just, wrong.
Go and talk to a politic science professor and they will tell you this.
You can’t escape politics because it’s linked to power.
Power structures affect everything in our society therefore politics affects everything.
When someone doesn’t want to ‘make it political’ all they are really doing is attempting to preserve an existing power structure they are a beneficiary of.
Ever considered that politics is not always the essence of everything? I don’t care that fundamentally everything may be political. I don’t care that we are made up of millions of tiny organisms. I care about the things I care. And that’s not your political agenda.
Great but you see when you say ‘I don’t care about other people’ then we loudly don’t want to care about you back. That is pretty much it, I don’t know why you need to foghorn that you are selfish, is it to rile up others to violence in name of their selfishness? Explain why you have to explain that you don’t need something so badly, we dont need anything if we dont wish to live so whats the actual fucking point here to "DONT NEED IT’ except to also say “OR ELSE” which is… ALSO A POLITICAL STATEMENT OR ELSE.
You’re apathetic about it because you benefit from the current structure.
You don’t have to care when you’re already a winner.
Did you ever consider maybe it’s just people already talk about politics in a lot of other places, and don’t need to talk about it literally 24/7?
Uh no on the contrary. My true self is apparently appalling and unnatural.
When I am cranking it to a model on Only Fans, that’s what I want to think about, not about what politicians may have paid to lick their butthole privately.
So yeah, everything is absolutely political, but sometimes you need a few degrees of separation.
Do you not benefit from the current structure? Who built your phone? I wonder how much they think about politics.
Yes I do benefit and I think it’s unjust which is why I’m a socialist.
I also think it’s unjust, but I don’t shoehorn it into every conversation.
you make socialists look bad
I don’t think you care about their optics beyond brow beating them for having an opinion that upsets you.
Sometimes people just want to freely discuss stuff without the overarching politics.
Did you ever think about that?
Go to a physics professor and they’ll tell you everything is physics. Go to a math professor and they’ll tell you everything is math. Go to a philosophy professor and they’ll tell you everything is philosophical.
Not everything is about power inherently. People can and often will make almost anything about power. But it’s not inherent to the thing. But you might disagree.
However the degree to which things are political can vary greatly. Would you agree? Voting at the presidential elections is a more political act than watching birds or playing with my kids.
I think what people mean in your view’s context is that they’d like to keep memes away which directly refer to a topic which is to a high degree politicized. Instead they prefer memes which are at maximum very indirectly related to politics.
I’m sure you know that but this is my one try at a good faith discussion.
I don’t disagree with you about each professor thinking their subject is the most relevant.
That’s interesting in and of it self though, maybe people should consider looking through things using different lenses. When they don’t look at a topic as political, maybe they should, perhaps it’d give a perspective they hadn’t previously considered.
In saying people want to keep memes away from politics, the problem is if you accept my premise that anything can relate to politics it’s functionally not possible to keep memes away from politics.
So instead what’s left is actually control on the discourse of what memes we can make and those we can’t. Or rather ‘which ones are political’ (not acceptable) and ‘which ones aren’t political’ (acceptable).
Now practically I agree the bow gets longer to draw on a meme relating to beef stroganoff but who gets to decide the boundary line? I assert no one gets to decide because the boundary doesn’t ever exist. All memes have a political component so to attempt to stifle discussion based on a memes political content is useless.
This is why people who say ‘let’s not make it political’ are really just saying ‘I don’t want you to talk about that topic because it’s unacceptable to me and not something I want to address’ - cool thanks for expressing your opinion, next time not saying anything would be better.
Now practically I agree the bow gets longer to draw on a meme relating to beef stroganoff but who gets to decide the boundary line?
I think the boundary is set in this case by the community and ultimately by the moderators. Would it be an arbitrary and very fuzzy line? Sure. Will everyone like it? No. But that’s why it is good that one can simply make their own instances and communities. But I am glad we can agree that different degrees of closeness to politics do exist and that it is possible to differentiate them. You don’t think there is value in doing so as I understand it. And I think that’s a perfectly sensible point to take.
This is why people who say ‘let’s not make it political’ are really just saying ‘I don’t want you to talk about that topic because it’s unacceptable to me and not something I want to address’ - cool thanks for expressing your opinion, next time not saying anything would be better.
I think this is why your argument goes a bit into strawman territory. Your interpretation is pure guesswork and putting words in the mouth of others without giving them the benefit of the doubt.
For me personally it is simply that I don’t want to have heavily political discussions all the time. As you can probably see from this post here I don’t mind a good discussion. Political or otherwise. Although you’d probably argue that every discussion is political.
Sometimes I just want to look at funnies and not think about the complex power dynamics of societies and the world. That doesn’t mean I never want to discuss those. But I like to have places where I can go knowing it’s not that. And I think several people here want this memes community to be such a place.
People here don’t realise the boundary line of what constitutes acceptable political meme discourse is far away from their expectations.
This the Marxist-Leninist meme community.
If people ‘don’t want politics’ in their memes I’d suggest they go to a different community.
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My arguments about power are pretty well understood among social science academics. I didn’t come up with these ideas, I was taught them.
That aside, what do you think someone means when they say ‘let’s not talk about this topic’ do you not accept that’s an attempt to exercise power of what is acceptable discourse?
Who are they to decide?
I’d argue they are exercising covert power.
If you’re interested in the academic underpinnings of this view go read Lukes’ paper on the three faces of power.
Just because it’s important doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to have happy conversations that don’t involve politics which is basically what you are saying we should never do.
Just talk about the happy politics. /s
Remember when Regan got Alzheimer’s?
Lol good times
Remember when Thatcher died?
Funniest shit I ever heard.
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literally everything is politics
how is nitrogen atom nr. 14729583929174 political?
Becauses a scientist says it exists and that made God cry so we gotta burn him.
At least pick a noble gas
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Yes yes I used hyperbole.
Sue me.
yes I wrote “literally everything” but that does’nt mean that I meant “literally everything”
I can accept that
ok so now that we’ve established that there are things that aren’t political, it makes sense to say “don’t make everything political”, because there are in fact things that aren’t political (yet). however responding “literally everything is political, if you think otherwise, you’re profiting from the system” doesn’t make sense, since there are non political things
I don’t have time to explain how you moved the goal posts from:
Everything is politics does not literally mean all matter is comprised of politics (I.e. atoms are a thing)
To
Atoms exists therefore there are social issues that aren’t political.
All social issues remain political even in a world with atoms.
Edit: turns out I did have time.
Atoms exists therefore there are social issues that aren’t political.
I never said that and this isn’t my opinion.
you didn’t say “every social issue is political” (which I agree with btw), you said “everything is political”. and since “everything” includes atoms, they are either political and you’re right or they’re not and you’re wrong.
“literally everything is political”
ok then, can you remove the hyperbole and tell me the result?
(spoiler: they wont)
I once got warned in a discord server for being political. Brought up that everything was politics and they backed off.
About a week later I got hints that they might be a bit of a nazi bar which was confirmed when I called it out.
While I do agree that most things in life are somehow connected to politics and that it needs to be discussed, when I come somewhere, in real life or online, and I want to chill out, I really don’t want to hear about it. Political communities exist, even here on Lemmy. Let’s keep politics out of cooking, meme, and other not politically oriented communities please :)
Alright then:
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The toilet paper is supposed to point away from you.
Alright, everyone, calm down. Let’s not kink-shame this guy for setting up his toilet paper to dom him every time he poops.
You reach for that shit-rag, you miserable degenerate. You don’t deserve to have it presented to you, and don’t let anyone tell you different!
Actually, I stand the roll on the edge of the counter like a true Chad
Calm down satan
Over the top is the correct way and I will die* on this hill.
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- not really, at most I’d probably reply once, maybe twice, to a rebuttal if it is interesting. And then id just forget it. But oh boy, the next time it’s brought up, I’ll claim to die on that hill again.
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You have alerted the horde.
Whoa whoa whoa let’s not make it all political buddy.
