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The solution being the mobilization of the working class.
The mobilization of the working class isn’t going to do jack shit and arguably never really has in modern history.
The working class still needs water, gas and electricity and will still burn coal to get them easily whether the ruling class is there or not.
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Okay, so the ruling class won’t stop burning fossil fuels and the working class either can’t or won’t stop either, so what’s the solution?
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I love civil disobedience. Go break shit.
The “necessity defense” stuff: I tried all the other avenues and nothing happened, I had to turn off this oil pipeline.
Eh, it honestly depends on what the climate protestors are doing. If they’re chaining themselves to people’s cars, painting aeroplanes with toxic paint (so the company has to use toxic chemicals to remove it), or glue themselves to the autobahn, then they’re honestly just making a mockery out of climate activism.
Moira who can’t get to work because some cunt chained themselves to her wheel isn’t going to become an ally when she gets scolded by her shitty boss for being late due to something she can’t control. She needs to pay her landlords mortgage and put food on the table for her kids. Her old car might not be the most environmentally friendly but it might be the only option she has.
Picket parliament. Organise big costly strikes. Build gillotines and kidnap the CEOs and investors of big oil. Or you know, do something productive, like show the impact a small pond and some wildflowers can make in a green desert, or maybe work to restore wetlands.
Most people do care, but don’t have the time or capacity to do shit about it. If you have the time and energy to fuck over Duncan on his way to his shitty second job so he can pay for his mortgage and his student loans, you have time to fuck over the people that have the power to help you actually make a change.
The street gluers must be paid crisis actors (just like the GOP projects) to make climate activism seem like a bunch of crazy people.
This low-key what I believe honestly.
The granddaughter of the oil tycoon J. Paul Getty has donated millions to support activist groups like Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil
I mean she claims to be taking action against climate change, but I don’t know, smells fishy
I’ve spent enough time around wannabe revolutionaries to think most of those people are honest and really believe impeding some poor people from going to work will help make the masses adopt their cause.
It does help their belief system that they and most of the people around them were convinced by some asshole doing something similar.
They’re are always some true believers. Flat Earth used to be trolls until the OGs got bored and moved on leaving only the believers behind.
The best astroturf is the one that starts growing on its own.
As far as the ones in Germany go, largely they don’t seem to be. They are really that stupid. Even when they try to target the right people they fuck it up. It is fun to watch however. Some hilarious stories and little to no success have come out of it.
I’m sorry, how are they getting their hands on toxic paint? Are are they making it themselves? If it’s the later then they have really just undone the entire of their “point”.
Yeah but I can’t direct my hate at an individual as easy when it’s hot outside
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If sticking heads in sand was an Olympic sport, climate change deniers would consistently take home 100 kg antimatter trophies.
“It’s people doing things and caring that annoys me”
Except they aren’t actually doing anything. They should go shut down a factory or something.
Have you been living under a rock?? They’ve been doing that for ages and keep getting arrested
Yes, I have been living under a rock. It is nice and cozy down here.
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Greenies:Stop oil now!
Also greenies: *obstructs nuclear power for 60+ years. *
Please stop pretending we can run society on wind and solar.
We can run society on wind and solar, and it’s looking more and more of a certainty that the price of the alternatives will bankrupt all of them.
You can. With nuclear as the baseline. Infinitely (not literally) more clean than fossil fuels and way, WAY more safe even including Chornobyl in the stats.
But we can
No, you literally can’t. Energy demands are only going to increase. The energy output for the land required, for a nuclear plant, is far better overall compared to the area required for wind and solar to match it.
The area required for enough wind and solar is still small enough to not be an issue. That nuclear needs less space per amount of energy produced does not matter
Any space saved is space for untouched environment, which is more beneficial to the planet. You’re using Chinese logic, which lead to mountains blanketed with solar panels. There will be consequences for such decisions down the road.
The space saved is so miniscule compared to theobvious benefits (way cheaper, quicker and easier construction than nuclear, no problem with long term storage of waste products) that it is an absolute no brainer. Also, it’s not like windparks are on fields of asphalt.
Absolutely not. 100+ acres vs 3,000+ acres is anything but miniscule. I suggest you do a little research on the discussion you’re attempting to take part in.
See, you’re talking like 3000+ acres is a lot on the global scale, and it just isn’t. You could literally cover a few fields that grow better in indirect light, produce more from your crops, and supply the global requirements for electricity. Seriously, just 5 square miles is over 3000 acres.
The only good argument against solar or wind is matching load against production, and that one is becoming less relevant all the time.
Isn’t the direct and immediate personal inconvenience the point? But, like, target the people who have decision-making power.
Just try to actually target the people with decision-making power to see what happens.
Those “we must have an impact!” protest never do that.
They’ve done actual studies that show these protests are counter productive, blindly supporting anything just because they claim to support your cause is incredibly dumb.
In this world there are a huge amount of people who really, really, really like attention and will insert themselves into anything to try and get it, they’ll use any excuse to ‘boost their profile’ especially if they can pretend to be some form of hero along the way.
The idiot who got shot in the capitol and the idiot who threw soup on the painting are the same unthinking attention seeking type of idiot, the right pretend they’re breaking into the capitol to save children, the left try to ruin people’s day in the name of climate change - then on their respective sides a whole host of idiots cheer and say ‘I’m supporting these brave activists so I’m not part of the problem, I can continue to live my life exactly as I chose - safe in the knowledge that cheering on these idiots is enough’
Protest at the big corporations, cool, I might show up.
Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit…
Americans be like “Nothing gets between me and the job that makes me want to kill myself.”
I can’t be ladt to my 12 hour shift on my second job or i’ll lose my home tomorrow.
You also lose your health insurance. You know, the American way to prevent protest.
Yup that’s the only reason
We get it, you care as long as your selfish ass isn’t inconvenienced. I so love a society that pretends to care oh so much about democracy and the average person supposedly being able to change things and then being so angry about then being the target of protests when they don’t take the actions to change things.
You think they don’t know, or don’t care? They can’t do shit about it because individual people aren’t the root of the problem. “Inconveniencing” someone by potentially costing them their livelihood and home isn’t going to win you any support.
“inconvenience me and I might murder you with my car” I hope you’re getting a lot of money from the oil tycoons in exchange for being one of their brownshirts
Protest in the middle of the fucking road, and you might get hit…
This guy has so many edges he became a sphere.
