No, this does not create “a new ruling class,” nor do party leaders have sole discretion over who is in the party. Administration is labor, and creating an organization for such a task and the ideological components of socialism is not sufficient to create a ruling class. Administrators in socialism own just as much of the means of production and distribution as the rest of the working class, capitalists in capitalism directly own the means of production, even if managerial workers below them operate and control them.
This is why your analysis falls apart, you have an idealist analysis of power that divorces itself from the material.
it completely creates a ruling class. the administrators hold the levers of government, irrefutably. and party administrators approved their candidates for elections. thus the ruling class chooses their members. that is a ruling class, even worse it is a ruling class with unilaterally controls over who in the nation can wield the levers of government.
your idealist analysis of power divorces itself from the will the people.
I argue that class is inevitable under any form of administrative government. the goal is to tie ultimate power to the will of the people.
Class is not “holding levers.” I have established this over and over again. Shutting your eyes and ears and erasing the central role of ownership of the means of production and distribution does not make this fact go away. Administrators share the same class interest with other workers: collectivization of the means of production and distribution.
You have invented the idea of unilateral control, and have invented the idea that the working classes as a whole do not participate in mass democratization of society in unitary socialist democracies. You have no coherent goal, nor plan to get there, all you have done is refuse to engage with the Marxist position on class.
then capitalists holding the levers of production doesn’t necessarily make capitalists a class. you’re deluding your own definitions.
“Administrators share the same class interest with other workers: collectivization of the means of production and distribution.”
removing the ability for the people to hold the administrators accountable is divorcing the workers from ownership over the means of production.
“You have invented the idea of unilateral control, and have invented the idea that the working classes as a whole do not participate in mass democratization of society in unitary socialist democracies.”
you have no adequately demonstrated how the vector of power points from the workers down to the administrators in unitary socialist democracies.
Capitalists do not merely “hold the levers of production,” they outright own it. My entire point is that control and ownership are different. I am not contradicting myself in any way, it is your point that any grouping of people whatsoever is a class.
Socialist democracy does not remove the ability for people to hold administrators accountable. You invented this.
Administrators are a type of worker, not a class. Power is held by the working class as a whole, not merely administrators. Administrators serve a specific function in large organizations of people, not a class in and of themselves. Socialist democracy begins from the people, not the party. The role of the party is in guiding the working classes as fellow workers, not as commanding the working classes from above.
“Socialist democracy does not remove the ability for people to hold administrators accountable. You invented this.”
how to workers peacefully remove administrators they don’t like at any level of the communist party strata without explicit approval from the communist party?
Managers in a McDonalds do not actually have the ability to sell or make total calls over what to do with it, the owners do. Administrators are similar, they are joint owners with the entire working class.
As for your second question, recall elections. Read the book.
“Managers in a McDonalds do not actually have the ability to sell or make total calls over what to do with it, the owners do. Administrators are similar, they are joint owners with the entire working class.”
why did no one recall stalin during his great purge, or Mao during the great famine?
Because the people widely supported the purges and Stalin himself, and Mao did not create the famine but instead responded to one, with the people widely supporting him.
I argue that class is inevitable under any form of administrative government. the goal is to tie ultimate power to the will of the people.
Then you’re disagreeing with the way all Marxists and even liberal academics define class: which is relation to production, and you’re also completely wrong that power is divorced from production, or surplus value.
The differerence between capitalist and socialist countries is the control over this surplus. US capitalists control production, the surplus, and have a puppet government enact their interests against those of its workers. Its members unilaterally decide how to use that surplus.
The PRC has the major key industries nationalized, and in that sector surplus can only be controlled by democratic decision-making, not the whims of private capital. No member of the NPC can unilaterally decide how to use that surplus in the same way a private capitalist in the US can.
A limited, restricted private sector of capitalists also exists, but they do not stand above political power, have no enshrined rights, and must follow the dictates of the worker state.
No, this does not create “a new ruling class,” nor do party leaders have sole discretion over who is in the party. Administration is labor, and creating an organization for such a task and the ideological components of socialism is not sufficient to create a ruling class. Administrators in socialism own just as much of the means of production and distribution as the rest of the working class, capitalists in capitalism directly own the means of production, even if managerial workers below them operate and control them.
This is why your analysis falls apart, you have an idealist analysis of power that divorces itself from the material.
it completely creates a ruling class. the administrators hold the levers of government, irrefutably. and party administrators approved their candidates for elections. thus the ruling class chooses their members. that is a ruling class, even worse it is a ruling class with unilaterally controls over who in the nation can wield the levers of government.
your idealist analysis of power divorces itself from the will the people.
I argue that class is inevitable under any form of administrative government. the goal is to tie ultimate power to the will of the people.
Class is not “holding levers.” I have established this over and over again. Shutting your eyes and ears and erasing the central role of ownership of the means of production and distribution does not make this fact go away. Administrators share the same class interest with other workers: collectivization of the means of production and distribution.
You have invented the idea of unilateral control, and have invented the idea that the working classes as a whole do not participate in mass democratization of society in unitary socialist democracies. You have no coherent goal, nor plan to get there, all you have done is refuse to engage with the Marxist position on class.
then capitalists holding the levers of production doesn’t necessarily make capitalists a class. you’re deluding your own definitions.
“Administrators share the same class interest with other workers: collectivization of the means of production and distribution.”
“You have invented the idea of unilateral control, and have invented the idea that the working classes as a whole do not participate in mass democratization of society in unitary socialist democracies.”
Capitalists do not merely “hold the levers of production,” they outright own it. My entire point is that control and ownership are different. I am not contradicting myself in any way, it is your point that any grouping of people whatsoever is a class.
Socialist democracy does not remove the ability for people to hold administrators accountable. You invented this.
Administrators are a type of worker, not a class. Power is held by the working class as a whole, not merely administrators. Administrators serve a specific function in large organizations of people, not a class in and of themselves. Socialist democracy begins from the people, not the party. The role of the party is in guiding the working classes as fellow workers, not as commanding the working classes from above.
“Capitalists do not merely “hold the levers of production,” they outright own it. My entire point is that control and ownership are different.”
“Socialist democracy does not remove the ability for people to hold administrators accountable. You invented this.”
Managers in a McDonalds do not actually have the ability to sell or make total calls over what to do with it, the owners do. Administrators are similar, they are joint owners with the entire working class.
As for your second question, recall elections. Read the book.
“Managers in a McDonalds do not actually have the ability to sell or make total calls over what to do with it, the owners do. Administrators are similar, they are joint owners with the entire working class.”
Because the people widely supported the purges and Stalin himself, and Mao did not create the famine but instead responded to one, with the people widely supporting him.
Then you’re disagreeing with the way all Marxists and even liberal academics define class: which is relation to production, and you’re also completely wrong that power is divorced from production, or surplus value.
The differerence between capitalist and socialist countries is the control over this surplus. US capitalists control production, the surplus, and have a puppet government enact their interests against those of its workers. Its members unilaterally decide how to use that surplus.
The PRC has the major key industries nationalized, and in that sector surplus can only be controlled by democratic decision-making, not the whims of private capital. No member of the NPC can unilaterally decide how to use that surplus in the same way a private capitalist in the US can.
A limited, restricted private sector of capitalists also exists, but they do not stand above political power, have no enshrined rights, and must follow the dictates of the worker state.