• humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    The $20B difference is based on an accounting fraud. $50B vs $70B is like if GM would count the total of what buyers pay for cars ($70B) instead of their real revenue ($50B) of what their dealers pay them. Monumental fraudster BS came out overnight to resume the bubble frenzy though.

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    This feels like a nothing burger. It either won’t affect them or the government will bail them out.

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    Basically, the AI lab told backers to expect revenues approaching $50 billion — far shorter than the explosive $70 billion number reported previously.

    Though that $70 billion figure was also based on leaked investor memos, OpenAI wasn’t in any hurry to deny it, digging itself into a $20 billion hole.

    So they told investors they’d make $70b and now they’re bringing down the forecast to $50b . $50b is still insane, that’s more revenue then any other software company except Microsoft (and probably anthropic), next closest is Salesforce with $41b, and Salesforce built that revenue over decades. Open AI finished 2025 with $13b in revenue, that’s nearly 4x growth in a year on more then 10 billion in revenue, that has never been done before.

    Idk if this is a sign of a bubble collapsing just because it’s record setting growth and revenue aren’t as explosive as they initially said. It is still very much explosive, but more a fission bomb then an h bomb. It seems the market agrees, Nvidia is down ~1% on this news, but still up 5% on this month and 20% yoy.

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      The bubble part is the extremely high losses, even before hiding training expenses as assets that become worthless the next month after a new version release. Also monumental promises that they will require massive new fundraising for, that fewer people understand remain possibly sustainable.

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      “revenue” that’s propped up by the government and ignores other factors, such as overall expenses, competing open source models, and non-realized assets.

      The difference between Microsoft and OpenAI or Anthropic is that Microsoft has a profit model.

      There’s absolutely no way that the big LLM companies can make enough profit to overcome their expenses in the next decade even, especially since the technology on the open front only continues to improve. That’s why the LLM bros keep hyping it up via fear mongering and criminal activities like hacking - to keep selling the illusion that it’s AI.

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      50B is annualized revenue, accrued revenue will be almost certainly be quite a bit lower this year.

      Tech companies love reporting ARR because it is always bigger than GAAP revenue (if the business is growing at all).

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      2 hours ago

      yeah $20 imaginary dollerydoos were shaved off the $70 anticipated imaginary dollerydoos, it’s all so idiotic

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      Idk if this is a sign of a bubble collapsing just because it’s record setting growth and revenue aren’t as crazy as they initially said.

      That’s because you’re thinking about the situation rationally, which isn’t something the market is known for.

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    Let it pop! Let it pop! No bailouts for billionaires. Just let the fucking system collapse. I’ll happily go back to a trade a barter system of some kind.

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      Pop pop pop!

      I’ll be fine, my mortgage is fixed for 4 more years before any damage it causes to the economy can seriously effect me. That is a problem for me in 4 years time, not me today.

  • BauerBender@lemmy.world
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    “We have to stop AI before it kills everyone, but we need the government to do it so we don’t lose investors.”

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      9 hours ago

      Search results have been shit for the the past 10-15 years. Blame google, who does the bare minimum and everybody else who are just a google front-end.

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      I’m really hoping so, but I think they are going to destroy it before selling it to us for cheap.

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    10 hours ago

    Yes we crashed the economy, but at least we made the C-suite and the sub level guys an absolutely eye-watering, astronomical amount of money while also increasing worldwide hunger and genocide.

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    11 hours ago

    WeWork was declared a failure when it lost 6 billion in a year. OpenAI is net negative 17 billion a year…

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      9 hours ago

      Yes, but consider that AI being successful would maybe let your boss fire you, and they super duper want to fire you and everyone.

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    OpenAI promised investors an AI gold rush. Now its projected annual revenue is reportedly $20 billion below earlier expectations. That’s not a rounding error: that’s an entire business empire missing from the spreadsheet. Silicon Valley keeps calling it a revolution, but increasingly it looks like a trillion dollar game of musical chairs, with investors hoping the music never stops.

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    10 hours ago

    I think they may have located a more extreme, even dumber business category than “too big to fail”: “too big to bail out”.