Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
Cunts gonna cunt.
Worst thing is Apple fans will be calling it a feature.
aKsChUaLlYyyyyy!!! 2 is a cooler number anyway 😏
Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.
ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.
A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice
One could argue that you don’t become a trillion dollar company by leaving money on the table.
One could argue, greed is a subset of malice, and spite isn’t mutually exclusive with any of it.
Public companies aren’t really driven by spite. At least not for its own sake.
Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
I mean Pixel 6 still didnt have 3.0 support, so the 15 year old argument doesnt hold too much ground either.
Pixel 6 has 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) and so did the Pixel 1
https://gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-11037.php https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570
The first phone with USB 3.0 appears to be from 2013.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/5/4696874/galaxy-note-3-usb-3-0-power-connector-explained
Sure, I’m willing to eat my words on that one, for some reason my memory said 6a was 2.0
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.
Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.
To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.
At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.
Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models
Someone else commented that the SoC literally lacks the capability to run above 2.0. If this is the case it would be very hard to call this even scummy adjacent.
Can’t find any confirmation on this claim, but their Ipad pro model uses USB c with far higher speeds.
Doesn’t that run M2 SoC?
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by reusing the same hardware
I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.
Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.
I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.
I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.
I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?
I have a wallet case. It’s really really thick. It holds all my credit cards and drivers license and stuff.
I see. I believe that Apple’s vision is that payment cards and drivers licence will soon be fully integrated in the phone, eliminating the need for a wallet case. Not that I’m an Apple user, but I am pretty much at the point of never using physical payment cards, and my drivers licence has a digital version in my country.
I’ll still need my health insurance card, my driver’s license, etc. That won’t work on a phone.
My health insurance is fully digital and my country has an official app for driver’s licences. This varies from country to country, but I think we’re all heading in that direction.
They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.
Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.
You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”
I don’t really see the point? Like who’s going to be excited about faster USB transfer rates in 2026?
The same people that get excised about the current generation of apple BS?
Apple users get excited about things that Apple tells them to get excited about.
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I mean who really cares 2023? Who used this port for data transfer later than 2015? I guess for proRAW it makes some sense. But even less with the airDrop later over internet in background. And proRAW even is a iPhone pro feature isn’t it.
Just because you don’t care, doesn’t mean other people don’t care that their $2000 device is stuck at USB 2.0 speeds.
Lol, the 2000$ iPhone will get thunderbolt iPhone 15 =/= iPhone 15 pro
Are you stuck with fax v34 speeds because your telecom hasn’t upgraded your landline to support the more modern v300 or are you fully covered by your internet equipment instead?
That’s a bad analogy
This is not innovation that helps the market.
This is the reason capitalism will never maximize life for any but the few at the top.
In 3-4 years, WIFI 7 will be standard, and Apple will completely remove data pins from the charging port because nobody has used them since WIFI 6.
Why anyone would buy into this crap is beyond me.
they have created the culture of superiority. a posh product for our shallow acquaintances. it’s a great filter test actually.
seriously…so sick of people being like, “ew why do your text messages show up green” and just buying everything apple cuz it’s apple.
It’s like people are ok with purposefully shooting themselves in the foot.
But my foot is fine with holes!
More holes= more aerodynamics
I’ve been an Android user all my life. Nexus, 2 one pluses, Samsung flip, and now on Pixel. I’ve also been pretty anti apple. I feel Android isn’t being able to hold it’s weight very well anymore. I find the experience a little meh and the below average battery doesn’t help. I’m not happy with the Pixel at all. Back in the day, I felt Apple was just overpriced and didn’t bring anything to the table and was almost exclusively garbage. Over the last one year I’ve been thinking more and more about giving it a try. I might switch into an iPhone 15 this year to see how it is. What doesn’t help is trying to pick TWS earbuds. All of them have some issue or the other. The new XM5s rely too heavily on foam tips (and Sony made a design where finding third party replacement is a pain), Beoplay Ex has average ANC which is important to me. From all my research, it’s looking like the Airpods might be the most well rounded in what I’m looking for, I just need to compromise on the sound quality. I might get the airpods even if I decide to stick to Android. I don’t know, man. I feel like there’s nothing I’m truly happy with in the market anymore (and I’m willing to spend, just give me something good) and I’m hoping Apple is the least worst of the lot so I might give it a try this year. Windows is the only thing I can never switch away from. Sorry for the rant, I’ve been struggling a bit to find good products but it’s like all these companies just hate us.
I’m very much an Android user, but in an enterprise setting Apple products are so much easier to manage. When pushing certificates with profiles from Intune, we had no end of trouble with Android phones but iPhones were incredibly easy.
ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0
Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.
Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
They can’t limit the cables, they don’t even come with the phone anymore
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And other “small” devices… hell even my toothbrush came with only a charging cable,… with an usb-a port,… and no brick…. FUCK YOU PHILIPS!!! What the F!!!
This is irrelevant.
We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.
The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.
Ah, I see. If the phones themselves support > 3.0, that would certainly be less egregious.
But boy does it generate attention for Apple.
most new Android phones support > 3.0
Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/
10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.
Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.
That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.
Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.
I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.
The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.
Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn’t matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding…
So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.
To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn’t uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.
On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn’t mandate certain transfer speeds.
The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.
They are introducing changes to enforce USB-PD is present for charging.
So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.
What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).
Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.
If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.
And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.
Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
but like this is just disrespectful.
The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”
Apple didn’t even need to use USB C to do this bullshit:
The Lightning receptacle on the 12.9-inch iPad Pro (1st and 2nd generation) and 10.5-inch iPad Pro models has 16 pins, as there are additional eight pins on the other side. It supports USB 3.0 (now USB 3.2 Gen 1) at the maximum transfer speed of 5 Gbit/s.
- Wikipedia - Lightning (connector)
For reference USB 1.x/2.x A and B connectors have 4 or 5 pins, while USB 3.0+ A and B connectors have 9 or 10, with USB C having 24. USB 4.0 version 2.0 supports transfer speeds of up to 80 Gb/s. I think the 16 pin lighting connector could support USB 4.0, but this is just my speculation.
No, no it’s fucking not. How about you not base radical accusations on bullshit articles?
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/24/iphone-15-usb-c-cable-usb2-transfer-speeds/
According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple’s new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.
In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support “at least” USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.
And that is the crux of it. rumors
Ah, but what am I saying?! Please, return to your circlejerk, I’ll not bother you with any more inconvenient facts
I always get last year’s model of whatever tech because it’s likely to be both cheaper and less buggy due to the bugs already have been fixed.
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USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
Technically, they are. Type C is just port shape. Protocol version is a different matter, however newer versions are backwards compatible. What they are doing is not restricting functionality but to unlock fastest charging speed you have to buy approved cables. It’s sort of a gray area but luckily EU already caught them planning to do this, so work to change it is already underway.
The port on the phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.
That’s not what the article says.
But that’s just stupid.
I’m honestly not sure that I agree. Full speed USB 3.2/Thunderbolt cables are expensive, and 99.9 % of users will only ever use the supplied cable for charging. The ones who want to do cable transfers at high speed will probably already have the cable they need.
Limiting the speed of the *port * of the non-Pro models is worse, but likely also a cost-cutting decision that will have little impact on the vast majority of users.
It would be interesting to know how many of the competitors’ phones offer high speed data transfer through the USB port (I honestly don’t know, but would like to).
Right but USB 3.1 is a commodity now and most android phones support it. It doesn’t need to be 20/40gbps. Even 5gbps would be decent for most people.
Boo this man. How would limiting the speed of the port affect cost at all?
It’s probably not an arbitrary explicit limitation just for the sake of it, they’re likely using a cheaper component for the port.
Because they can continue to use the old controller, just wired a little differently
You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
Getting away with it? You know lightning came out like 4 years before USB-C, right?
Apple gets shit because they had a proprietary connector when everyone stated using mini/micro usb.
They then upgraded their proprietary connector to one that was MUCH better than the mini/micro connectors.
Now the usb-c connector is king and apple looks bad for not having the “better” connector this time.
But they aren’t forcing anyone to a NEW proprietary connector, just the one they have been using for like a decade now …
Standardizing on a GOOD connector will be nice, but it’s not like apples proprietary connector wasn’t BETTER for a long time.
Most folks don’t follow the timeline, yes apple is using a proprietary connector but it’s older than the new connector that was being used. They didn’t force you into a shittier product back then.
FYI it was newer by 2 years. I don’t think anyone is complaining about the performance of lightning over USB C, its that people want things to be standardized like everything non-apple is. Apple could have contributed to the USB C research and made a better cable that’s available to everyone, like IBM with the original USB or Phillips with HDMI.
iPhones for the lightning port in 2012 and I think the first usb c android was 2015ish
My point is that 11 years later people act as if this lightning port was thrust upon them RATHER than getting usb c.
They’ve been using the same connector for more than a decade now, that’s all.
Your points about apple opting to go their own route is salient and stands and I agree whole heartedly.
Apple did contribute to USB C during development.
This, Apple is shitty for not advancing a standard. Can you imagine if every appliance came with some proprietary cable so you would be incentivized to stay with one brand to minimize hassle. We’d never stand for that, but for some reason we as consumers didn’t demand standardization in this realm. It’s a fast moving industry to be sure, but I don’t really see how that precludes standardization and that is evidenced by all the non Apple equipment that has settled on USB.
Irrelevant. It was always an issue, with everything they do.
What are you talking about? Lightning is older than USB-c, and iPhone has had 2 connectors (30pin, Lightning) during the time where all other phones had at least three (Mini B, Micro B, C)
Proving my point to?
No? A non-iPhone user has had to replace more cables during the same time span, and that’s not even counting the proprietary cables that existed on phones in the 2007-2009 era. Thunderbolt cables are expensive, even at Monoprice they are 3-4x the cost of a USB 2.0 cable that the vast majority will never need anything better.
and are putting BOTH options on the phone
While we haven’t yet seen the new phones, this is extremely unlikely. Since when does Apple have the reputation of adding ports?
I had read somewhere that they’re just continuing to use an older controller to save a few Pennie’s and reduce architectural changes
I’m only going off what this guy is guessing, but I don’t think they would do that either.
USB-c has absolutely nothing to do with speed. It’s solely the port shape.
Most USB-c cables today are usb2.0
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.
Little bit of a strange article.
First, it’s about data transfer speeds. I don’t think… anyone else in my extended family, and certainly none of the iPhone users, use a cable to transfer data frequently.
But more importantly - the subtitle of the article says that only the pro models offer faster charging speeds. Despite the article being exclusively about data transfer speeds.
I use USB-C for data heavy applications all the time. I’m running a monitor on one right now.
This means that a bunch of people are just going to end up with cables that are once again locked into their iPhone ecosystem and can’t be used for any other purpose. I find it hard to believe that this is anything but Apple thumbing their nose at the new EU regulations by intentionally making their “compliant” cables useless.
Why?
Not that I use the junk this company ships to stores but a part of me would like to hear the meeting where someone proposed this and the rationale to support it.
Easy. Because then it means that the easiest way to get files off your phone to your computer (definitely a Mac, right? RIGHT?) is via an iCloud subscription. Why sell a cable for $10 when you can sell a monthly subscription for $3?
And this is nothing new at all for Apple. I still remember how infuriating it was having to deal with iTunes for moving files to and from my iPod Touch. Jailbreaking so I didn’t have to deal with iTunes was such a relief
Android obviously having no issues with you just having direct access to the file system makes it so much easier
nothing about using a USB-C cable inherently means it has to support USB3.
framing it as “limits it to USB 3 Speeds” is misleading. iPhone has only ever supported USB 2, all they’re doing here is continuing to not upgrade to USB 3. the meeting where somebody proposed it went like this:
hey, should we put a USB 3 chip in the new iPhone?
nah, let’s just keep using the same one as the last generationWhy pay for a better component when the sheep will gladly pay inflated prices for the same old crap?
How many people do you honestly think transfer data by cable? I haven’t done it in years, and I have friends with iphones that don’t even own a computer!
It ruins displayport alternative mode
USB 3 is significantly faster than wifi so I frequently use it for larger file transfers. But I guess with iphone’s crippled filesystem you would never have reason to transfer anything.
Everybody is thinking about storage speeds but what I want to know is charging speed. We see Android phones using USBC with more then 100w that can charge to 100% in under 30 minutes. Knowing Apple it will probably be limited to like 5w so that you buy a shitty 15w wireless MagSafe charger instead that they get money from. It will probably still get to 100% in under 2 hours, but only because Apple batteries are ridiculously small (3200mah on most recent iPhones, 5000mah is the budget Android phone standard that you can find on $60 phones, some even going up to 6000mah like the Samsung m54).
I’m confused, is this a strategy meant to persuade people to keep using the lightning cable bullshit?
No, it’s a strategy to sell you an expensive cable. Apple always do this, create a problem and offer an expensive solution.
Unless it’s limited by hardware this will be a main cause for jailbreaking your iPhone.
What makes you say that? 90% of the users don’t even connect their iPhone to a pc anymore.
This is true. I’m a bit biased as that is what I would do. I’d say most users will not even notice. I think most of us here on lemmy are tech heads though and we would be the ones who do connect our phones to PC.
I consider myself more techy than the average person. I’m a developer, I used to use Linux, and I used to root my Android phones.
I stopped connecting my phones to my computers long ago. Hardly ever had a reason to do so once I stopped rooting, unless I was using the phone as a makeshift flash drive.
Transferring to a new phone, stuff transfers over wirelessly or backups download. I’ve got everything in the cloud these days. No real need to connect to a computer.
That said, I do think it’s frustrating if this is a limitation of the port rather than one of the cable.
Honestly I only recently realized I don’t have a cable supporting USB Super Speed, though I detailed that in a different comment and I don’t want to repeat my self.
If I understand how USB Super Speed (ie USB 3.0+) works correctly, it is trivial to limit a USB C port to USB 2.0 modes, as it uses extra connections, which, I think, means you can just not connect them and treat the port like its a USB 1.x/2.x port. Not 100% sure tho
You’re entirelly correct - if only the D+ and D-data lines (plus VCC and GND) are connected (and USB-C is meant to work no matter which way you plug it so there are one of each on each side) then it will just behave as USB 2.0
