• Sunshine (she/her)@lemmy.ca
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    Carney hates the law when it comes to protecting the environment. We need proportional representation now for real democracy.

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      It was clear from day 1 he’s a banker and doesn’t care about us. But he does want Canadian gdp to go up, which indirectly helps us…

      Basically we’re in trickle down territory. Such sucks, but it’s better than the alternative…

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        Okay, but that doesn’t help me, “economy do better,” doesn’t help me. The cost of living in this country has only gotten more expensive with poorer quality goods and services over the course of my entire adult life. Maybe you benefit from this, as many middle class Canadians do, I do not. Canada and the US are firmly on the path to fascism, and this is not some deviation from that. Trumps image of fascism has proven too unpopular for its own use, but exceptional at enabling liberals to claim some level of inevitability and desirability in their politics, both of them would prefer that I die rather than threaten capital whatsoever.

        I wonder if anyone benefits from a system wherein a sufficient number of people feel compelled to tolerate an obviously bad choice because the “only other choice” is worse. Hmmmmm.

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          I immigrated to Canada in 2007 as an adult and it felt great here. Cost of living and housing was manageable and I felt like I could have a great future then it started going to shit almost immediately and when 2020 hit even before COVID it started feeling like absolute shit and it has been getting worse and worse. Benefits cut and things getting more expensive.

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            Yes, and that’s topical in more than one way, Mark Carney was the governor of the bank of Canada during the '08 crisis. At the time, his response of lowering prime and encouraging spending was viewed as risky, but it is also credited as the reason that Canada fared better than other G7 nations. That policy is also what facilitated the housing bubble we are now reliant on for our fucking economy to function.

            Hence why I am adamant that this is not some necessary evil or delay of the inevitable.

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          Yeah I guess I’m just not as optimistic as you. I really don’t think I’m benefiting from the decline.

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            I honestly thought you had a stroke or something before I realized that you just said that “GDP go up,” is not part of a “decline.”

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                Yes, that is what you said, but you don’t seem to understand how these things interact. I’m optimistic in that I don’t believe capitalism is an inevitable way of life, but you seem to think any of my comments suggest that this system is working, which is the exact opposite of what I’ve said.

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                  No, that’s not what I said. And I never said your comments suggest the system is working.

                  You really are very optimistic. I bet that feels great. I’m happy for you!

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    I really don’t want him to have a majority. He’s like the third grade teacher everyone loves until you find out he beats his wife.

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        Girl. And no, he hasn’t. I don’t remember him ever disclosing his intention to allow Doug Ford to be corrupt, as long as he supported Carney’s pipeline.

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          What exactly did you think it meant when he ran on public investment in private industry? Did he have to wear a T-shirt that said, “Cronies Are My Homies” during the debates for it to count as clear?

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              That doesn’t mean he wasn’t honest though, just that many people don’t know what signs to look out for.

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        It’s a common occurrence and emotion. You meet a guy, he seems nice, then it turns out he’s a literal women beater. It’s like a mix of anger, sadness, and regret, but with a softer and more intricate taste.

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    Banker is gonna bank. The stuff he does to support Canada like refusing to agree to the preposterous trade terms of the US are shit anyone would refuse. PP would have failed on every level and made a fool of himself and the process at least.

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    I wish we had Carney controlling external affairs and trade and NDP handling everything internal. Every domestic policy he’s made has sucked, but he’s done such great things with trade relationships and is a very skilled diplomat.

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      He spoke well at Davios, then seems to have failed in every negotiation with the us. He totally caved on the digital services tax. What did it get us?

      I don’t see how he’s super skilled as a diplomat

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        Canada’s position and reputation has improved, but that is just because of how fucking HATED the US and Trump is right now.

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          right, maybe not because carney so skilled, but more because he’s seen as against trump?

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            I wanted to write this about Carney (who I voted for) I do not like him at all. I do not the degradation of freedoms, benefits, and democracy and increased surveillance that he is pushing for.

            But that being said. I do not envy his position. He is perpetually caught between a rock and a hard place. As much as I hate Trump, the only thing I would hate more is actually being forced to deal with the guy. Carney did a lot of concessions that I do not approve of, but I honestly do not have a concrete plan for what to do.

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        seems to have failed in every negotiation with the us.

        How do you “succeed at negotiating” with a country that is demanding you give up your sovereignty and allow then to do whatever they want? One whose leadership can’t accept the concept of a mutually beneficial result?

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          A very skilled diplomat would know how to do that would they not?

          I agree the job he’s attempting to do is very difficult. The negotiation terms were so obviously unacceptable that maybe we shouldn’t have given up the digital services tax? Maybe we shouldn’t have immediately caved?

          It’s true that lack of capitulation on these things would have now looked to have brought about the unacceptable terms, but we would be exercising that sovereignty.

          My point wasn’t that he should have accepted the terms, but that a “super skilled diplomat” would have achieved more.

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            A very skilled diplomat would know how to do that would they not?

            Unless they are also a skilled criminal psychologist, I doubt there’s a way to get to an acceptable outcome with Trump’s gang of liars and thieves.