• Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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    20 天前

    Noooo, you don’t understand. Biden tried really, really hard to not send 21 billion to Israel. Trump wanted to send aid! Big difference, tankie.

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      18 天前

      It’s worth noting that during the Korean War the US killed 15-20% of North Koreans. That’s a higher percentage killed than many genocides and much of it was exacted through deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure yet it’s almost never discussed as a genocide. We hanged Nazis for lesser crimes at Nuremberg

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      18 天前

      I didn’t realise there was an American Indian genocide, although I did hear a lot about an indigenous American genocide.

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        Polling of turtle island indigenous peoples indicate that a good majority still prefer the term Indians. You can read Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz All the real indians died off and 20 other myths for the reasons.

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      19 天前

      Source for that 75% claim? Wondering how it’s calculated since I’ve heard ~90% died to plagues the settlers brought, but since 75% is below that it seems like it’s calculating something else. Is it referring to some specific time period?

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    19 天前

    Making fun of Trump and Biden for being genocidal pieces of shit is cool, but making fun of Biden’s stutter is ableist and that’s not ok.

    You should edit this meme to remove that portion.

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      19 天前

      Idk I saw it more as a criticism of people who use his stutter and other unrelated vulnerabilities and frailties as a defense against valid criticisms of his policies, seen a decent amount of that shit, but I may be interpreting it charitably out of an overabundance of eagerness to bash dems

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        19 天前

        There’s plenty of legit critiques and things to make fun of both of these people without using ableism. This is like the memes calling Trump and Putin gay, you aren’t hurting your target, you are just further marginalizing normal people who struggle with these issues.

        Would it be acceptable to go after Obama by comparing him to a monkey? No. That’s just racist shit and it has no place here.

        Do better.

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          This is like the memes calling Trump and Putin gay, you aren’t hurting your target, you are just further marginalizing normal people who struggle with these issues.

          Can’t say for certain without knowing exactly which memes you’re talking about but the ones I’ve seen are often the opposite. The butt of the joke is their ‘hypermasculinity’, drawing attention to how ridiculous the concept is and thereby trying to destigmatize being gay or at least being more open to ‘gay’ behaviours (e.g. empathy).

          There’s also ones where they’re directly accused of being closeted (e.g. Graham) which is a bit more harmful but even then it seems strategically positive in that allies won’t care, and if it gets the hateful ones to turn on them that improves conditions for the vast majority of ordinary lgbtq+ members.

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      18 天前

      You are right if he was a person, but I don’t pity insects. I hope he gets an heart attack while shitting and dies stuttering asking for help.

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        18 天前

        I’m not defending Biden here as I feel the same. I’m saying our critiques of him should not be alienating to marginalized people.

        If your critique is that he’s dumb because he has a stutter, you can apply that to other people with stutters and I don’t think that’s what anyone here wants to do. Biden has distinctly evil qualities in his actions through the years that are better targets than utilizing ableism to critique him.

        This is about showing empathy for the people around you who suffer even more within this shit system than most do, it’s not about showing Biden empathy.

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          I’m honestly always a bit unsure about this topic. From one side I don’t want to generalise and being ableist because:

          If your critique is that he’s dumb because he has a stutter

          This is objectively wrong and I totally get it. On the other end, we don’t live in a perfect world and to convey some emotion we need to use words that have a baggage or are imperfect. In any case, my personal meter for judging is always the intention and the context, more than the word itself.

          Do I think every person who shutters is dumb that’s why I used it on Biden? Of course not.

          Do I find hilarious thinking at Biden in a pool of shit having an heart attack and trying to spell “help”? Absolutely yes.

          I would have liked the meme more if on the Trump part there was “shits himself”.

          It’s the contrast the point, putting a man of power who should project this idea of “alfa” man with the reality of normal human disability. It puts them at our level, where we can bully them.

  • whiskers165 [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    18 天前

    And they couldn’t even deliver on protecting LGBT people because they lost the election carrying water for a genocide and selling out the American working class. You can’t even make the argument that Democrats will protect queer people anymore because they have repeatedly proven they will fumble the ball running on unpopular policies and then sell us out if it’s better for their donors.

    Democrats are basically a speed bump at this point. At least Republicans are trying to destroy America; unintentionally yes but I’d almost rather crash into the wall full speed rather than be stuck in whatever chokehold the Democrats are trying to prolong

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    19 天前

    The purpose of this is not to make a comparison between two ill suited politicians (Trump being the far worse), but to erode trust in democratic institutions and to prevent you from even paying attention and voting. Nothing is stopping anyone from electing an independent politician, without red or blue affiliations.

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        19 天前

        Don’t forget the guillotine! Its high time to bring it around the many demonstrations being organised, don’t you think? :)

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      Nothing is stopping anyone from electing an independent politician

      If you’re going to lie at least try to make it remotely believable

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        19 天前

        What makes you think I’m lying? I don’t know your ballot, but I’m pretty sure there is more than just two options there, no? And not just thr presidential ones.

    • It is an admirable thing, in a politics possessed of a moral floor, to believe one can change the system from the inside, that with enough respectful prodding the establishment can be made to bend, like that famous arc, toward justice. But when, after decades of such thinking, decades of respectful prodding, the condition one arrives at is reticent acceptance of genocide, is it not at least worth considering that you are not changing the system nearly as much as the system is changing you?

      — Omar El-Akkad, One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This

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      The purpose of this is to mock people who believe that voting for the puppet on Wall St’s left hand is somehow a better deal than voting for the puppet on the right hand.

      The thing eroding trust in Democratic institutions is the continual enshittification of life via Neoliberal policy that keeps on progressing regardless of which puppet won the most recent popularity contest.

      The entire system and the entire billionaire owned media is absolutely stopping people from electing independent politicians, in any kind of numbers that might change anything.

      How broken is your moral compass that you think supporting a genocide can ever be a lesser evil?

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      Biden’s legacy will be that he was the butcher of Gaza. Who forced his administration to do this?

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          long standing contracts

          “Won’t someone think of the contractual obligations?? 😩😥”

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          sold

          See the graph is specifically about aid explicitly not buying/selling. Without this aid Israel could not survive not to mind perpetrate it’s many many horrors and atrocities against the people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iran etc.

          If you want to be sarcastic or disengenous it’s best to pick one or the other both together just make you look like an arrogant fool.

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          long standing contracts

          That graph he just posted kinda pokes some holes in this narrative that it’s just “long standing contracts” when there’s a massive increase in aid during his term.

          There’s also the reality that you lot tend to ignore/deny which is that Biden bypassed congress to send additional weapons.

          And you describe the US as “the biggest weapon manufacturer in the world” as though that somehow makes it better instead of worse. We’re already producing ridiculous numbers of bombs, and then we’re sending even more bombs to arm a genocide, and that’s somehow OK?

          It’s so ridiculous. All the US is doing is having Israel do it’s dirty work so it has plausible deniability that rubes and partisan hacks can hide behind.

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          We evolve from “I’m just doing my job” to “I’m just doing my contractual obligations”. Shut the fuck up cancer.

        • That’s military aid not sales. Never mind that even selling weapons to a country engaging in genocide is complicity in the crime. US support under Biden was more than just military aid.

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        No one. And since trump is more open everyonr should vote for him right? If not him than whatever republican is on right?

        You think that graph is some kind of gotcha as if that is the only or most important event happening on the planet. Its not in any sense. Bidens legacy will be “better than trump by any metric” and yes that includes zionist support.

        All youre doing is helping israel with this. But do keep telling us why we should vote for the most extreme because there is no difference