• Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
    629·
    2 months ago

    Ah yes, the very unbiased and fair comparison between murder and podcast incels. There are no real issues that men are facing…

    I don’t understand why people can’t support women while supporting men too. I can. You can do too. It is not women vs men. It is tradition/sexism vs individual freedom/respect.

    • Gonzako@lemmy.world
      412·
      2 months ago

      I hate these kinds of posts too. All they do is promote division in these times we have to stick together against the billionaires

      • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
        248·
        2 months ago

        The worst part… it works. E.g. on me, and i know. It is difficult to see these kind of posts, which are clearly misandry, and then hear people deny the trend for misandry, especially online.

        OBVIOUSLY there is a shit tonne of misogyny, especially online and that is a big problem. But we shouldn’t ignore the trend to misandry. It is not a competition and we fight against misogyny better if we fight sexism in general, I believe.

        But the posts make me feel like a shocking amount of people are not against sexism but just misogyny. How am I supposed to feel like those are not my enemy when I am opposed to sexism?

        Then I spend time with the people that I love and I am good again but… it is fucking poison.

      • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
        22·
        2 months ago

        While I do agree with your sentiment I think its critical we work thru the issue so the rich can’t use it against us. Somehow get to an understanding that men and women face issues, both should be supported.

        There’s still too many men who can’t understand why a woman would ever choose the bear.

        • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
          7·
          2 months ago

          Except polling on most issues regarding women are positive. No one is favor of more rape, lower wages, and sexual harassment.

          That being said the bear analogy pisses me off

          • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
            12·
            2 months ago

            I mean, I can’t imagine most people being in favor of those things. My idea was more about how online we see missandry and misogyny, even in this comment section. The most well-known recent example was the bear.

            Just that we should try to work through our divides. Women vs men. Urban vs rural. Etc. Because they’re easy distractions.

            • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
              2·
              2 months ago

              100% agreed. I just hold lemmy in a higher regard because I see less divisiveness here vs other social media and it want to keep it that way

    • 𝕲𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍🔻𝕯𝖃 (he/him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
      203·
      2 months ago

      On the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, most men do not understand that to be a woman means constantly being in danger.

      “But not all men are-” I know. Everyone knows. There’s good people of every gender, that’s not in question. The problem is that people keep saying “Not all men” in direct response to women expressing that they don’t feel safe. Same energy as telling a black person “All lives matter”.

      There’s the men this meme is about, and there’s the men this meme is for, and the venn diagram is two separate circles. The assholes with the podcasts aren’t going to understand, because they’re the problem. They think that by being nice they’re entitled to sex, and then get vindictive when no sex. Most everyone else doesn’t understand because the thought of being such a douch doesn’t occur to them.

      • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
        83·
        2 months ago

        While it’s not an “excuse”, I think the “explanation” tends to be that speech from Nick in Zootopia: If people are going to regard you as shifty and untrustworthy, why bother being anything else.

        Like I said, not a valid reason, but I do see how that toxic manosphere grows through fear.

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        44·
        2 months ago

        The problem is that people keep saying “Not all men” in direct response to women expressing that they don’t feel safe. Same energy as telling a black person “All lives matter”.

        I don’t think this is entirely accurate. The equivalent of an “all lives matter” person is a “men have issues too” person, not a “not all men” person. The first two are from people taking issue with advocacy for one group (black people; women) because they see it as exclusionary of or harmful to their group (white people; men)*. In contrast, “not all men” people are responding to a percieved attack directed at them, not just to being excluded from targeted advocacy. Subtly but meaningfully different, imo.

        * Technically non-black people and non-women, I suppose? But this is the general pattern I’ve recognized.

  • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
    351·
    2 months ago

    Don’t know whether to upvote for spreading awareness of women’s issues or downvote for encouraging gender wars discourse

    • werty@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      154·
      2 months ago

      It’s in a shitpost sub, it’s ragebait. I use it to block misogynists so that’s something.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    142·
    2 months ago

    The world would be better if we had better empathy for each other. I don’t think the poster thinks that men’s problems don’t exist. However so many men seemed to have interpreted it that way. I think the poster is just asking for empathy. There’s no need to be defensive about it if you’re a guy. All they’re asking for is awareness of their problem. We can do better than just dismissing their concerns outright.

    • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
      52·
      2 months ago

      This is just instagtam grade ragebait. There are more productive ways we can discuss issues specific to gender and this kind of bullshit is not helping. I come to lemmy to get away from other social media gender wars horseshit.

      • lobut@lemmy.ca
        2·
        2 months ago

        There are more productive ways but I also feel as though there are better ways for you to reply to me …

        If you feel it’s ragebait and maybe it is … then that’s fine. I just see it resonated with a female only community here.

        I won’t disagree you on this … if that’s what you came for Lemmy for then this is very annoying.

  • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
    168·
    2 months ago

    Reminds me of an IDLES lyric: “Men are scared women will laugh in their face, women are scared it’s their lives men will take.”

  • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
    38·
    2 months ago

    My ex girlfriend tried to stab me in my sleep. But I guess I should feel lucky since it’s so statistically unlikely.

    • lugal@sopuli.xyz
      4·
      2 months ago

      You’re confusing two things. On a personal level, you’re not lucky. The moment something happens, everything changes for the person it happened to. Same with rare illnesses or side effects of drugs or vaccinations.

      What doesn’t change is that men go on first dates without taking precautions. I hope that helped

  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
    613·
    2 months ago

    I’ll counter this with any “real housewives” tv drama bullshit.

    Proves that women are all etcetc

  • WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world
    958·
    2 months ago

    As soon as guns were invented this bullshit was over. Anyone can be killed by anyone. If you’re worried about it, get a fucking gun. Guns illegal? Better study the blade.