BTW the article is based off Tyler McVicker’s prediction. He was never good at predicting…
The funny thing is even he predicted more than $1100, less than $1500.
So that’s multiple straight lies in the article title.
Well that better be good news… I groaned at $1,500 but Ive been waiting YEARS to get into VR because I wanted to wait for whatever new set valve would make and Jesus did it take forever
… I’ll do $1,500 begrudgingly, but it better not be $2k+…
Look, they have a really hard time counting to Three, alright? 🤣
After the Vive and the Index, it just took them some time to learn there’s a number past two.
He predicted both Half-Life: Alyx and Deadlock with details years before the games came out.
He didn’t predict those games. Especially with Deadlock, he did analyze files and watched footage from the leaked gameplays of people not holding the emargo. The many times he did predictions about Deadlock and speculation about what type of game it was, he was not right or very vague that it has to be right. But my point was more about prediction of what Valve will do in future (or prices) and he was not really good at it, at least not better than someone in 4chan. Sometimes it happens to be true by chance, if you do just enough predictions.
He didn’t predict those games.
Not sure what criteria you are going for. He objectively was talking about HLX (codename for Alyx) and Neon Prime (early name for what became Deadlock) years before the respective games released.
watched footage from the leaked gameplays of people not holding the emargo
That’s shortly before release, at that point the game was not a secret anyway.
Of course none of this means he’s any better at guessing prices than anyone else.
He objectively was talking about HLX (codename for Alyx) and Neon Prime (early name for what became Deadlock) years before the respective games released.
As I said, that was about looking in filenames of files and trying to figure out what it was. He had no idea what HLX even was, so he didn’t predict Alyx, he predicted Half-Life 3. Same for Neon Prime… all he had going for was apparently people from the industry talking about the game and about filenames and variables that point to the name Neon Prime. Then he tried to infer what this could be and he was wrong about Neon Prime and Deadlock. All he talked was about the information he had, and any prediction to what the games will be was wrong.
I’m watching Tyler since years…
Admittedly I don’t watch him, you might know better. But I do remember stumbling upon a video of his talking about a new Half Life VR game he was datamining at least 2 years before Alyx came out.
I’d love to get into VR but not when a headset costs as much as a whole PC. Where is my no onboard processing hardware, tethered only budget headset? (That doesn’t record everything I do and send it to Zuck)
In terms of budget options you can still buy new, it’s probably pretty much just the PSVR2. Just at this moment you can get it for $300 direct from Sony (it’s listed at $399 but it’s on sale), though you’ll need to buy an adapter to use it on the PC, which is an extra $60. Still, it’s got a pretty decent resolution display, and it’s even got eye tracking, though I think you need a third-party driver to get that working.
It is tethered, though. I dunno.
PCVR is in a slump right now, though, and at this price, I don’t know that Frame is gonna fix that. It might not be the best time to buy new.
The old windows mixed reality headsets were that before it got discontinued
That sadly isn’t possible I don’t think, loss leaders will be out of style this decade I think sadly
I mean, I sold a Vive five years ago for about $250. If you want to give up standalone gaming, and cordless, and on board speakers, and inside out tracking, and virtually all of the innovations of the last decade in this space, then I have no doubt that you can find aging hardware that still runs, at a good budget price.
Yes, tech is getting unreasonably expensive. But this product was always going to be a head above the old generations of Valve VR hardware, and I’m stoked for such a flexible piece of kit that can support streaming from my beefy pc as well as, or better than, my locked down Q3.
I think I’m out at that price. I’m thinking it will be closer to $1000, maybe a bit higher with hardware prices.
Sadly, same. Everything just keeps going up. Except our income.
It’s probably a reasonable price for the tech, but it’s kind of annoying to see VR get less affordable over time. I couldn’t justify buying the Valve Index just to play a handful of VR games, and I certainly can’t justify this.
So? I bought an index for $1000 approx. 8 years ago and it’s still awesome and still going strong. Considering inflation and the value added by being cordless and not needing a high-end gaming pc, $1500 seems pretty reasonable.
At 1500 it’s priced alongside higher end boutique headsets like the big screen beyond and pimax’s offerings.
And that’s not to mention just how much cheaper the Quest 3 is.
A dollar denied Cuckerberg is worth ten times its face value
Theoretically? Sure. Realistically though? Money is finite for most of us. And some stuff is just out of budget.
Yeah for you maybe, but for the general market is that going to be the case?
Yeah, but then you’d have to own and use a Meta product. Not remotely worth it.
Actually less than I expected. I won’t be getting one (too expensive), but that’s a decent price for what it is.
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The insider in question? The poop from my butt
So it does come from inside…
There is one thing about the Frame: Its not a general purpose computer like a Steam Machine, and therefore Valve can subsidize it a bit. Maybe? I expect that most Steam Frame customers would play Steam games on it.
It actually is a general purpose ARM PC. Valve says you’ll be able to put any compatible ARM OS you want on the thing (probably just different Linux distros, maybe someone will port LineageOS eventually also), and it comes with a KDE desktop mode like the Deck.
Nobody argues that it isn’t. Let me frame it differently: A sports car is a general purpose car, because it does all what a car has to do. But it is extremely expensive and designed to win races. Instead you could get a car, that is designed to do general purpose stuff like a normal city car. I hope this clears up what I was trying to say.
I was hoping for 1000€. I might still get it for that.
If it was $1000, not a standalone device, and not wireles, I’d buy it. $1500 for a wireless only headset with a garbage tier PC built in (for some reason?). That’s a hard no.
- If it isn’t wireless, and if it isn’t functional standalone, then the only option would be a tethered headset.
That already exists, get yourself a Vive or even get yourself a Quest 3 and then use the USB tethering mode (Virtual Desktop just shipped this feature, though many of us suitor argue it’s inferior to a healthy WiFi 6 tether).
You, as a consumer, are well served by the existing slate of available products across the past decade…
- I’m relieved to hear that you won’t be buying it, that means that when I can queue for a pre-order that’s one unit I’m closer to bringing home. This is a luxury item in a season of brutal Supply constraints, and I will be fortunate to be able to invest in my amusement, like this.
… For what it’s worth, ARM SOC’s are growing wildly powerful and I will benefit from being able to play local stuff even without tying back to my beefier PC for fullfat experiences.
I already do this when I play steam games , including 3D titles, on a handheld AYN Thor.
That already exists, get yourself a Vive or even get yourself a Quest 3 and then use the USB tethering mode (Virtual Desktop just shipped this feature, though many of us suitor argue it’s inferior to a healthy WiFi 6 tether).
Quest headsets are basically surveillance devices, I run my Quest 2 through a pihole to block any connection to Meta servers, and fully 90% of the DNS requests this thing attempts to make are telemetry I didn’t consent to. Don’t buy a Quest, they’re only cheap because of the massive quantities of highly invasive data they can mine from the microphones, cameras, web traffic through the device, eye-tracking data, etc.
Virtual Desktop still works with local-only, as I understand it, and alternatively there’sUSB tether as an option.
Yes, Meta sucks, and that’s why I literally made a whole new account just for my headset, and then gift purchased virtual desktop to Grant to it, and heavily restrict any of its activity on the live internet like you do.
My remarks were about how tethered VR is already available, and s******* all over a device we haven’t even seen yet just because it can play PC games through translation layers as an option is just wrong. Meanwhile, I have been playing PCVR over Wi-Fi for the past literally 6 years, and I’m completely bewildered at someone with multiple Sim cockpit setups whining and complaining about Valve as if they had done something actually bad.
All of the devices still plug into his desktop. If he wants a subpar connection limiting bandwidth to the headset the option is still available.
I already have a Reverb G2 but it’s getting old and was hoping for something newer. I would rather go without VR than buy anything from Facebook. Sucks the only option for tethered is just “buy an old headset”
I understand arm is getting there. But to run assetto Corsa competizione at a high frame rate with the graphics at max quality, or flight simulator? I doubt it.
And I haven’t looked into it, but even if it can, how would you connect your steering wheel, flight yoke, pedals, shifter, handbrake etc. I mean, if it can, then $1500 is a great price tbh. But I will wait for reviews
I feel that its appropriate to say when you’re basically critiquing core aspects of a device that not everything is for everyone
Sorry if I was unclear but yeah that was basically my entire point. This device is not for me, I was just lamenting that fact
You’ll be able to use it wired. If not officially, ALVR has a wired mode and ALVR will definitely support the Steam Frame.
