“might stop anyone from 3D printing guns”
I can guarantee you that it won’t even do that.
It absolutely will not stop some people. But those are not the ones committing gun crimes
No, it won’t.
I suppose they don’t care because the purpose of the laws is not to prevent the printing of guns, that’s only the justification.
This goes way, way beyond ‘guns.’ It is an assault on property rights and freedom of expression as concepts generally. It would fully outlaw Free Software firmware (which is what the entire 3D printer hobby, having started with the RepRap project, is based on!). It would cut the Maker movement as a whole off at the knees.
It’s absolute tyranny in ways entirely unrelated to guns themselves.
I’m no gun person, but you could easily make a gun on a lathe or a mill drill, too. Get a CNC one and you don’t even need to know how to use them.
Are we going to start fitting them with “you might be making a gun” detectors, too? Of course not.
Edit: Turns out they are… I choose to blame my ignorance on the paywall.
Are we going to start fitting [CNC lathes and mills] with “you might be making a gun” detectors, too? Of course not.
I’ve got some bad news for you about just how fucked-up these proposed laws actually are.
I’m pretty sure the law says any machine that takes sets of automated instructions, which includes CNC cutters and lathes
When you consider how many students were shoot with 3d printed guns… Oh wait, those were all manufactured by a proper business, carry on then, we don’t want to interrupt big businesses.
They act like we have this big problem with 3d printed guns. This is about control not safety.
It’s funny, I live in a country with very few privately owned guns, where ammo is tracked and everything.
No 3d printed gun murders have taken place here. Why would they happen in the US where anyone can just get a real gun?
Luigi allegedly used a 3D printed gun.
Wow, they are doing so much to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands. I’m really glad the everyday issue of 3d printed guns will finally be solved.
Wait until they find out that you can make a shotgun with some galvanized pipe and a nail.
New laws in California and New York might stop people from 3D printing guns
It absolutely, positively, will not do that. If someone wants to print a gun, no legislation is going to stop them. It could at best, slow them down by maybe an hour, as they find, download and install different firmware for their printer.
If you want to prevent people from printing guns, you’ll need a different tactic, because that won’t do it.
How big of a problem is this even? I’ve only heard one case of someone using a ghost gun in a murder and that didn’t stop the police from finding the suspect.
Shit, just browse makerlab.com and you’ll find all sorts of gun parts!
This may be true, but a object does not have intent.
This is just the dumbest thing ever… So I can’t print a grip for a camera?
Uhhh nope. Palantir said so
I rember in the US police had an event where in an effort that has had some success getting guns off the street is they were paying $200 per gun you turned in, including ghost guns no questions asked. Some legend heard about the event and quickly made quite a few working guns out of 2"x4"s, metal plumbing pipe, and a nail. He only used basic tools like a drill and angle grinder from what I remember. The police had to pay him too, but I think they changed the rules after
One problem the left especially the global left outside the US has when they talk about gun control they flat out do not understand how things work when so many people want something as much as people want guns in the US. Also how hard it would be to actually change the constitution. They were not able to stop people smoking weed or drinking alcohol either. It’s going to have to be a major societal shift. I think there’s a good chance we will see that in the next 50 years.
I support gun control wherever it’s shown to actually work but a lot laws are being pushed by either someone with an alternative motive like the 3D printer laws, or have actually no clue and just want to put another law that sounds good to
The 3D printer laws are really a micro manufacturing and surveillance law that appears to be being pushed by a billionaire and a company in bed with palantir. It could kill open source 3d printers that are the only reason we have 3d printers in the first place. The guns people make with 3D printers require major components from actual guns that you can leagly buy because the parts are not considered a gun.
iirc some of the parts you need like the lower are considered guns, but your point still stands. the last paragraph, i mean. it’d just surveillance state horseshit with the added benefit of protecting corporate profits in an industry that was developed with public funds and innovation.
Please stop conflating Democrats with “the left.”
Democrats are centrists or even center-right. Actual leftists tend to be just as gun-happy as conservatives. Both for protection from those conservatives, and because Marx was pretty explicit about the proletariat needing to revolt.
I’m well aware of that. That’s why I said global left and not democrats. Global leftists meaning the generally left average for the globe. In my opinion most of the global left is out of touch with the US’s gun problem. Where do you see me saying Democrats?
A “ghost gun” is any gun without a serial number.
So you have to ban more than the 3D printer data files.
You will need to ban metal files as well. That’s how real ghost guns are made.
They’ll get there. They hate the idea of individual people being able to make things for themselves or having any other escape from consumer serfdom.
This is just dumb people being bought by gun lobby groups…on top of all of this bullshit, guns are %100 legal to make. It’s not illegal to make a firearm for personal use, even if you could 3d print one completely.
Know you’re local laws. It IS illegal to 3d print guns in NY amd CA already.
California it is illegal, but NY is not.
NY requires a FFL or gunsmith license
California you can only make 3 a per year without a FFL license.
And that’s why everyone needs to know their local laws!
I’m not suggesting anyone ever even touch a firearm before they know the laws. The laws and rules by not only the ATF but local governments is insanely convoluted.
Won’t stop anyone, but luckily I lost my 3D printer in a boating accident.
Video series worth a watch from 3D Printing Nurd.
These videos talk about the additive printing bill and how it essentially looking to make any “uncertified” 3d printer or even CNC machines illegal.
Strictest 3D Printing Regulation YET! California AB2047: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ax9zW0w_gY
3D Printing in California Can Be Saved! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvvEuIPJxA
The FINAL Hearing in California: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6fpPStIAsY
So if you 3D print a lathe to make your gun, it’s ok?
