• Schlemmy@lemmy.ml
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    19 hours ago

    Actually, in a multi party system, it is. If you only have two, or one political flavour you’ll get different results.

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      The number of parties has fuck all to do with how democratic a particular system is. It’s whose interests the parties represent that matters. In capitalist societies, parties serve the interests of the ruling capital owning class, and the working majority simply gets to pick which member of the exploiting class will rule over them and repress them.

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        12 hours ago

        The number of parties influences the percentual result.

        You could say that in a 51/49 outcome 49% of the people isn’t represented but it’s still democratic.

        I’m Belgian. We hold the world record in government foundations. I know how small percentages work and am pretty sure it’s democracy at work.

        Do I like it? Not really, but it still democracy.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          Pluralism has nothing to do with whether or not the will of the people is accurately reflected. One party states often have higher democratic representation because the people can more directly influence policy.

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            Democracy is a compromise. The irony is that by representing everybody partially you’ll never represent anyone fully.

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              Democracy is rule by the majority, which really means in practice a country where the working classes are in control. Bourgeois “democracy” guises capitalist control in a cloak of electoralism, obscuring unpopular candidates with positive wins in the realm of capitalist controlled elections.

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            Last elections in Poland seen a whooping 17 parties and over 40 independents elected to sejm. However, you could not find a single socialist among them, not to mention communist, all 17 parties and over 40 independents are representing various flavours of liberalism

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              Sure. But, the Polish people seem to be happy with a far right representation.

              I really don’t care about left or right. I’ve been working with politicians the last 15 years and I’ve met socialist people on the far right and extremely liberal people on the left. The boring centrist seem to get it right more often but they don’t get elected.

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              Excellent point to make. Pluralism isn’t bad in every case, though it can lead to factionalism of course, but the idea that it’s democratic itself is horribly wrong.