Israel has abducted the sister of the Irish president, a doctor who was onboard a flotilla headed for Gaza to break the siege
  • billwashere@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 hour ago

    I’ve said this at least twice before now…

    I’m starting to think these Israelis are just real shitbags….

  • BillCheddar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    2 hours ago

    Of all the countries to fuck with, the one where half the population can make a homemade bomb probably shouldn’t be at the top of your list.

  • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    4 hours ago

    Intercepted 250 miles from the coast, in international waters. So it was illegal high seas piracy. A crime. Where is England and NATO in protecting their citizens from piracy, torture, abuse, and false imprisonment? What would these US and European governments say actually they do as a job?

  • Clanket@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    8 hours ago

    A video has come out of how some of the kidnapped people are being poorly treated, disgraceful. There’s also some right wing Israeli politician acting like a cunt.

    Ridiculous that these people were plucked out of international waters. And were trying to bring aid to help people. Fuck you Israel, I hope you’re made pay for this in International Courts in the future.

    Here’s the story on our national news website in Ireland, and it shows some of the video.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2026/0520/1574249-flotilla-gaza-israel/

  • Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    241·
    3 hours ago

    Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protest but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

    edit: typo

    • bitjunkie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      8 hours ago

      A decade or so ago they murdered an unarmed 19-year-old American citizen in international waters with zero consequences.

  • kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    484·
    21 hours ago

    Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

    • Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      7 hours ago

      It’s almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create “a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”.

      It was always colonialism.

    • nlgranger@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      7 hours ago

      Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons.

      They were not morons and perfectly conscious of the potential consequences.

    • mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      7 hours ago

      Israel could habe been created anywhere and the local people would react similarly to palestinians. Nobody want a state forced on them.

      • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 hours ago

        The Russians gave the jewish people the jewish autonomous oblast in 1934, but it was not in a desirable location so the Jewish people abandoned it. Its resource rich land and twice the size of Israel-- its just not developed and not near Europe.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

        The Jewish people never needed a land of their own-- they already had that. They just covetted the holy land so they took it. Its always been simple thievery.

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      282·
      16 hours ago

      Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

      The problem isn’t really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they’ve lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you’re going to have a problem.

      Jews can live anywhere

      In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

      There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto “here, where I live, is my country”. This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

      The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you’re an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, “hey we’ll just move to another country, get out of your hair”. That’s cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they’re volunteering to leave! And that’s how you get the Balfour declaration.

      Anyway fuck pissrael.

    • 3abas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      17 hours ago

      creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

      That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

      The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that’s a different issue), it’s that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

    • GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      16 hours ago

      At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those “Muslim area” countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      3 hours ago

      There’s gonna be a revolution in Israel

      No. theres not. 76% of Israelis support the war continuing, and 82% of Israelis support the mass expulsion of every non-jewish person from the occupied territories-- ethnic cleansing-- a crime against humanity. Thats almost the entire population. You need to stop pretending that whole society isnt sick, just because support for mass war crimes are not at 100%. When 82% of a group are vocal war criminals, its manipulation to focus on the tiny remainder.

      • Siegfried@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        The only thing that explains this comment is that somehow (close to “somehow” palpatine returned), the server of this instance flickers between parallel realities.

        How are things there? Have you found a way to contain the gorilla outbreak?

  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1272·
    1 day ago

    But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

    It’s funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

    Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      10 hours ago

      The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.

    • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.mlEnglish
      15·
      20 hours ago

      Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn’t matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.

      It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      16 hours ago

      Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything

      It’s also good to remember that not only is this not an argument for anything, but also the precondition of being a democracy is simply not met for pissrael. You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy. There’s a couple million people within the dominion that pissrael rules over who simply cannot vote for the bodies that govern them. That’s not a democracy.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        15 hours ago

        You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy.

        I absolutely agree on that. Weird I never thought about it when the claims were made.

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

      Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ™ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don’t need to increase the beam strength after all.

    • Hapankaali@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      1 day ago

      It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of “electoral democracy” behind the “true” democracies, termed “liberal democracy.”

      From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

      Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are “de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections”, but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the “tyranny of the majority”, and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl’s institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

      Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

        • Hapankaali@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          19 hours ago

          Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.

          I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            18 hours ago

            I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That’s a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.

            • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              3·
              8 hours ago

              In the US, corporate media is largely aligned with the Trump regime and journalists that dare to ask an actual question are denied access.

              • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                5 hours ago

                Yes the media is very much controlled by the 1%. And Trump paid them back with heavy tax cuts for the 1%.

        • almost_genocide@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          24 hours ago

          According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57

          That seems highly suspect to me.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            18 hours ago

            I’m not sure what you mean? It has been the trajectory led mostly by the Republicans for decades.
            Gerrymandering, illegal surveillance by agencies and even the police, secret laws upheld in secret courts overseen by a tight group of political leaders that are used to silence the press. Sounds like a conspiracy, except Obama admitted it, and even called it a good balance! The Republican rigging of the supreme court.

            But maybe you mean it has dropped more?
            Because I think it has because of Trump, and I also think the score of 8.22 that places it as a full democracy is moronic, considering it’s a 2 party system with fpp voting. And USA has the highest number of prisoners, and they are not allowed to vote.
            Nixon actively made cannabis illegal to silence the peace movement. And it has been used since to also oppress minorities.

            The score has been consistently way to high.

            • almost_genocide@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              7 hours ago

              We’re in agreement. It seems way too high to begin with and dropping that little from Bush->Obama->Trump I->Biden->Trump II makes me think there’s some kind of bias at play.

      • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        8 hours ago

        Yeah because there’s not just a lack of evidence for the touted mass rapes or child beheadings, but actually solid evidence and witness testimony against them. We even know the guy who spread these falsehoods.

        Meanwhile the IOF is on camera using rape as a weapon of war against hostages, and on record defending it.

  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
    313·
    17 hours ago

    I’ve seen this site a lot now on here, and it just looks like another low tier British tabloid that pumps out misleading ragebait content for clicks. From what I saw it’s like the left wing version of the Daily Mail. Why is the information hygiene on Lemmy so poor? Why can’t the community have higher standards on better sources?

    • mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      51·
      10 hours ago

      They was abducted. Just because you don’t like the source, it doesn’t mean it is a lie.

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      152·
      17 hours ago

      Oh shit, did they make false claims in this article?

      Or do you just object to their biased reporting? Because then we can exclude everything from AP news (“Israel ‘’‘’‘‘tests’’‘’‘’’ ceasefire”) to fox news.