Israel has abducted the sister of the Irish president, a doctor who was onboard a flotilla headed for Gaza to break the siege
  • Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    151·
    9 hours ago

    Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protect but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

  • kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    294·
    12 hours ago

    Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

    • mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      3·
      1 hour ago

      Israel could habe been created anywhere and thr locsl people would react similarly to palestinians. Nobody want a state forced on them.

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      8 hours ago

      Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

      The problem isn’t really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they’ve lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you’re going to have a problem.

      Jews can live anywhere

      In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

      There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto “here, where I live, is my country”. This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

      The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you’re an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, “hey we’ll just move to another country, get out of your hair”. That’s cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they’re volunteering to leave! And that’s how you get the Balfour declaration.

      Anyway fuck pissrael.

    • 3abas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      8 hours ago

      creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

      That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

      The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that’s a different issue), it’s that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

    • GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      7 hours ago

      At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those “Muslim area” countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1112·
    20 hours ago

    But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

    It’s funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

    Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 hour ago

      The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      7 hours ago

      Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything

      It’s also good to remember that not only is this not an argument for anything, but also the precondition of being a democracy is simply not met for pissrael. You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy. There’s a couple million people within the dominion that pissrael rules over who simply cannot vote for the bodies that govern them. That’s not a democracy.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 hours ago

        You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy.

        I absolutely agree on that. Weird I never thought about it when the claims were made.

    • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.mlEnglish
      14·
      11 hours ago

      Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn’t matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.

      It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      15 hours ago

      But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

      Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ™ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don’t need to increase the beam strength after all.

    • jimmy90@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      8 hours ago

      me she’ll be deported unharmed

      i notice they believe the rape of the other protester but not oct 7

      misogynize the global intefada

    • Hapankaali@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      20 hours ago

      It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of “electoral democracy” behind the “true” democracies, termed “liberal democracy.”

      From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

      Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are “de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections”, but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the “tyranny of the majority”, and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl’s institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

      Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

        • Hapankaali@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          10 hours ago

          Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.

          I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            9 hours ago

            I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That’s a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.

        • almost_genocide@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          15 hours ago

          According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57

          That seems highly suspect to me.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            9 hours ago

            I’m not sure what you mean? It has been the trajectory led mostly by the Republicans for decades.
            Gerrymandering, illegal surveillance by agencies and even the police, secret laws upheld in secret courts overseen by a tight group of political leaders that are used to silence the press. Sounds like a conspiracy, except Obama admitted it, and even called it a good balance! The Republican rigging of the supreme court.

            But maybe you mean it has dropped more?
            Because I think it has because of Trump, and I also think the score of 8.22 that places it as a full democracy is moronic, considering it’s a 2 party system with fpp voting. And USA has the highest number of prisoners, and they are not allowed to vote.
            Nixon actively made cannabis illegal to silence the peace movement. And it has been used since to also oppress minorities.

            The score has been consistently way to high.

  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
    39·
    8 hours ago

    I’ve seen this site a lot now on here, and it just looks like another low tier British tabloid that pumps out misleading ragebait content for clicks. From what I saw it’s like the left wing version of the Daily Mail. Why is the information hygiene on Lemmy so poor? Why can’t the community have higher standards on better sources?

    • wpb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      8 hours ago

      Oh shit, did they make false claims in this article?

      Or do you just object to their biased reporting? Because then we can exclude everything from AP news (“Israel ‘’‘’‘‘tests’’‘’‘’’ ceasefire”) to fox news.