• Silver Needle@lemmy.ca
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    I don’t want to paint post 1925 USSR in a good light, but wasn’t an immense number of Soviet citizens killed by the Nazis? I mean, I think it was something to the tune of 22 million last time I checked. Germany had roughly 8 million killed.

    To me this smells like nationalism on Germany’s part and like an attempt to encroach on anti-war leftist and communists who might carry symbols of their movements at demonstrations, regardless if they’re Putinists/Stalinists or state-unaffiliated.

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      It wasn’t “evil”, or “good”. It was a rational actor engaging in inter-state competition, just like all the other states involved.

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          Your anecdotal experience doesnt define character of the state

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            Russians raped an estimated 2 million German women after the fall of Berlin. some were still children. the worst part of that number is that it’s an estimate. at least 130k women were confirmed raped in Berlin alone. the reason why it’s difficult to identify a better number is that most Germans didn’t talk about it. they didn’t talk about it because they felt they deserved it, as punishment. so, who punishes the Russians then?

            The fear always remains in your body, and you never get rid of it. The pain lessens over time, but the fear is always there.

            so please, tell me how the soviet red army wasn’t evil?

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              Why are you calling it russians? it was the red army comprised of every SSR soldiers and the first red army battalion that reached berlin were ukrainians, you are just pathetically racist towards russians, isnt it?

              Secondly I care less about german women rapes, not much considering they were planning to wipe out entire soviet population, murdered 27 million soviets and raped millions of them. It was just tragedy of war.

              Red army was moral.

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                oh I see. when it’s about putting your little empire back, it’s “the Russian empire” but when it comes to crimes against humanity it’s, “the red army”.

                I know you’re a troll. a shitty one at that. but how can I not call out such low quality bait when it shows up.

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                  What are you even saying? Who brought russia here?

                  Atleast try to be coherent rather than assuming that everyone gulps your state propaganda like sheepdog

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    Gentle reminder that 80% nazis were k!lled by the red army, no amount of suppression or history revisionism by capitalists will change or diminish the sacrifices of soviet people.

    Long live the red army, army of proletarian of the world!

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      The sacrifice and courage of Soviet soldiers in the face of Nazi aggression is profound and worthy of admiration, yes.

      Should be noted that Stalin was a Hitler-enabler and early ally, or at least subtle collaborator, leading up to the onset of the war. The western democracies should have done a better job of building a coalition with Stalin in the thirties, but failed, hoping appeasement and hand-wringing would do the trick instead.

      Soviet soldiers also invaded Finland around that time and were complete assholes there, even if they did get their asses handed to them by a numerically-inferior, but fierce fighting source. It’s sad that most of the slaughter was inflicted upon Ukrainian conscripts who probably didn’t actually give a shit about annexing Finland.

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        There was nothing subtle about the collaborative invasion of poland

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          To say they “collaborated” by using Poland as a battleground is dishonest.

          In the end that was clearly an agreement on when/where the war would begin, as Poland was somewhat Nazi-aligned (but not part of the Nazi project) and the Soviets knew it’d be better to have them as an unwilling buffer than to see them completely allied with Germany.

          Make no mistake, they sent their armies there to fight each other to the death.

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        Should be noted that Stalin was a Hitler-enabler and early ally, or at least subtle collaborator

        lie, western “democracies” refused to ally with stalin against hitler hoping hitler will destroy communism (he kinda did too).

        And ukrainians are not some divine angels who would think differently from all soviet republics somehow. They were part of the red army and soviets thought shifting the border away from important city like leningrad, I am not defending invasion of finland I think it was a net negative but maybe that invasion saved leningrad afterall.

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      And what percentage of the red army was Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians, Azeris, Khazakhs, etc? russofascist revisionism and appropriation is cancer too.