I heard about the whole AI moderation thing and I’m trying to move to a new fedispace.
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Might wanna consider the admins response first:
- https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42252997/20359964
- https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42212552/20347120
tl;dr: There is no AI moderation, the mod team built a tool to more conveniently get a user history in case a user needed some investigating based off reports they got. They tried a couple times to ingest what the tool returned into a local LLM for a summary but found in overall lacking. In one instance the local LLM’s finding matched what the mods had already found manually and seeing how the summary was concise just posted that.
This is not a problem of the lemmy software, this could as well happened on any fediverse instance. Your posts, your DMs, everything you do on the fediverse is federated and can therefore be seen by the instances it’s federated with.
But why even move, this is the fediverse, make accounts wherever you want and use them at the same time? I use this account for wider posting and have a hexbear as well as lemmy.ml account for local posting (although I sometimes confuse this account with the .ml account).
I can’t open the first link for some reason. But I also found this post to be useful: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/59687224
Yeah they lost the plot and just deleted the thread…
Here is the comment from db0 originally
Another hit piece from rimu against /0. Must be a day that ends with -y…
EDIT: Here’s rimu admitting that this is all based on a single modlog and him just making assumptions based on that and that alone.
Here’s the series of events as I understand it
- Rimu sees a two-week-old public modlog entry from unruffled banning a zionist as per our instance rules.
- Rimu visits the public evidence linked and discovers that it’s a dump of the comments of said zionist, and it includes an LLM summary of those
- Rimu sees the FAF logo on the pastebin. Rimu assumes that even though it’s clearly not a FAF domain, since it has the FAF logo, it’s an official FAF tool. This is false.
- Rimu sees the LLM summmary and assumes that the banning happened due to the LLM summary. This is false
- Rimu assumes that the tool that gathered these comments is automated. This is false
- Rimu assumes that because it looks like an official tool, and despite the fact that he can only find a single modlog entry, all of the instance admins are regularly using it. This is false.
- Rimu concludes that the instance is using an automated LLM judgement mechanism for instance moderation. This is egregiously false
- Rimu does not reach out to any of our instance admins for clarification, even though we exist in the same instance-cooperation matrix channels. Even though our instance admins explicitly reached out to him earlier this month and asked to contact them for any questions/cooperation in order to avoid further drama and escalations. Note that there’s a reason why journalists ask for comments before publishing information.
- Rimu doesn’t do any other due diligence.
- Rimu rushes to publish with a cross-post to mastodon, because he knows the knee-jerk GenAI-hate there is much stronger than on threadiverse.
- When called on any of the false and misleading statements he’s made by multiple people in the comments, Rimu completely ignores everyone countering him and all arguments, not to mention being so confused he doesn’t even know if he’s talking about mods or admins.
I’ll leave the fact of why Rimu was randomly going through 2-week old modlogs of banned zionists as an interesting open-ended question.
Nothing against Mbin, but how would it help with the AI moderation issue? From what I understand about the AI moderation, it was a group of mods that sent a user’s history into a model for analysis. That will still be possible with Mbin, and anywhere else
Try it and see.
It takes all of about a minute to sign up for an instance and it doesn’t cost anything, so there’s no reason not to do it. If you like it, great and if you don’t, you’re not out anything.
For the record I actually prefer KBin/MBin - they just have a better interface than Lemmy. But KBin was a one-man effort and when the guy running it burnt out, it soet of fell by the wayside. MBin is a fork that was meant to be a more open project, but the guy who was mostly responsible for it is a bit of a twat and mostly used it to pimp Monero, so it never quite caught on like it should have.
You might also sign up for an instance or two on piefed. The guy who’s mostly responsible for that is also a bit of a twat, but he’s had some good help and some people pushing back against his tyrannically censorious tendencies, so it’s pretty decent.
The only way you’re ever really going to know what you think about any of them is to try them out for yourself. And there’s literally no reason not to.
but the guy who was mostly responsible for it is a bit of a twat and mostly used it to pimp Monero
Oh damn, I missed that bit if fedi drama. Is there a writeup of what happened anywhere?
I dunno. I just noticed it as it was happening.
I mean it’s basically Lemmy with a different wrapper.
I was looking at it for the purpose of hard-blocking while still using Lemmy. It didn’t serve my specific need but it is able to send and receive comments from Lemmyverse and browse all the instances
i started there, like lemmy, i also sign into piefed. its just different software connecting to the fediverse
