I’m not talking about ethnicity, I mean neither of us live in China. Neither of us can hold them accountable. If you mean what problems China is working on that I consider to be pressing, there’s the rural/urban development gap, the continuing improvement and struggle for better queer rights, the importance of electrification and energy independence, and more.
I don’t frame this as “lacking,” because again, China is the fastest developing and improving country in history, and all of these areas are being actively worked on. They are not regressing. They still have areas to improve, but framing them as “lacking” implies a regression.
The same applies; if one must live in a country to critique it that means everyone can only critique one country and no other countries at a time.
Also, you are framing it again as “problems China is working on” and not just “problems in China” which is narrower and filters any issues China may not be working on. The result would be a more positive outlook on the country than could be warranted by reality.
What evidence exists that the state of china is actively working on queer rights? Specifically the state.
There’s a difference between critique, and “holding accountable.” One is a matter of judgment, and the latter is not possible without control. As for judgment, it’s important to actually have an all-sided view, not just those of foreigners looking in. As for problems in China, the positive is that the CPC is working on the pressing problems in China as seen by the Chinese people.
As for fastest developing, in terms of economic growth, life expectancy, literacy rates, you name it. Compare the China of today with 10 years ago, 20, 50, and 100. It’s an incredible feat.
By “holding accountable” I meant balanced critique that doesn’t exclusively focus on the positives of the country.
If the state is accepting of queer people (or tries to project that image), it seems hypocritical that the police don’t act in accordance to this, given that the police is an instrument of the state.
We’ve had police raids on queer events and censorship of gay couples on TV in recent times (as recent as 2023).
More elaboration on China’s state-sponsored censorship of queer populations in media from equaldex:
Since 2016, China censors LGBT content, including LGBT-themed films, TV shows, and media, under the General Principles for the Production of TV Drama Content which took effect in March 2016. According to The Guardian, the Chinese government has “banned all depictions of gay people on television,” calling it “vulgar, immoral and unhealthy content.” The popular “boy love” (BL) TV drama “Addicted” was banned in 2016.
A Chinese broadcaster, Mango TV, which broadcasts Eurovision blurred a rainbow flag during the semi-final of the show.
In April of 2022, a few lines of dialog were removed from the Chinese release of the film ‘Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore.’ The dialog referenced the gay romance between Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald.
In August of 2023, Chinese officials removed an LGBTQ song from the set list of popular Taiwanese pop star A-Mei, ahead of her concert in Beijing. Security guards at the event forced fans to remove rainbow symbols and clothing. On the 22nd of August, Chinese officials shut down a handful of popular social media accounts on the Chinese social networking service WeChat.
As I already explained, China is not a monolith. You can look at any western country and find similar state repression at the local level, which is even more varied in China due to having 1.4 billion people. You are looking at it one-dimensionally, which is the problem I was getting at earlier.
You say I’m looking at it one-dimensionally, but you always dismiss or shrug off any negatives that may come about w.r.t. China, or frame it as being positively worked on, when you don’t do the same for other countries. If I mentioned a different country in such a context you would have called it deflection.
A monolithic representation of the positive is still a monolith.
I don’t present China as universally positive, I have drawn a clear line between socialist countries that are generally working towards a better society, imperialist countries that have been declining and are a net drain on the world, and non-socialist countries in the periphery that ultimately are progressing, albeit not necessarily as much as they could be if they were socialist.
There’s also the fact that we aren’t at all on the same page when it comes to dialectical materialism as being the start point for any genuine analysis, and as such I tend to reject framing that involves metaphysics.
You say you don’t, but you exclusively discuss positivity or progress w.r.t. China and socialist countries. When anything negative is reframed out of the equation, the resulting assessment necessarily becomes unilaterally positive.
Imperialist countries being a drain on the world isn’t something I’m arguing against, although we do not share a common understanding of imperialism.
It’s true that I don’t believe analysis must be through the diamat outlook for it to be rational, though framing away negatives as metaphysical or any other framing that makes them to be other than what they are (i.e. negatives) isn’t something that I find compelling.
I’ve said a number of things are problems, such as the urban/rural development gap. This is a problem to be solved, and thankfully it’s one being actively worked upon. How is this not a “negative” in your view? You keep trying to look at things as a laundry list of pros and cons, and try to put things into neat categories, but that’s not how the world works.
I’m not talking about ethnicity, I mean neither of us live in China. Neither of us can hold them accountable. If you mean what problems China is working on that I consider to be pressing, there’s the rural/urban development gap, the continuing improvement and struggle for better queer rights, the importance of electrification and energy independence, and more.
I don’t frame this as “lacking,” because again, China is the fastest developing and improving country in history, and all of these areas are being actively worked on. They are not regressing. They still have areas to improve, but framing them as “lacking” implies a regression.
The same applies; if one must live in a country to critique it that means everyone can only critique one country and no other countries at a time.
Also, you are framing it again as “problems China is working on” and not just “problems in China” which is narrower and filters any issues China may not be working on. The result would be a more positive outlook on the country than could be warranted by reality.
What evidence exists that the state of china is actively working on queer rights? Specifically the state.
Fastest developing, in what regard?
There’s a difference between critique, and “holding accountable.” One is a matter of judgment, and the latter is not possible without control. As for judgment, it’s important to actually have an all-sided view, not just those of foreigners looking in. As for problems in China, the positive is that the CPC is working on the pressing problems in China as seen by the Chinese people.
As for China working on queer rights, here’s a video from CGTN talking about the progress of queer rights, and here’s one from Jin Xing on CGTN talking about the progression of trans rights. The state controls media like CGTN, the purpose here is to gradually improve public perception of LGBTQ rights and bring the people upward on it, as in China policy generally comes from below, not above.
As for fastest developing, in terms of economic growth, life expectancy, literacy rates, you name it. Compare the China of today with 10 years ago, 20, 50, and 100. It’s an incredible feat.
By “holding accountable” I meant balanced critique that doesn’t exclusively focus on the positives of the country.
If the state is accepting of queer people (or tries to project that image), it seems hypocritical that the police don’t act in accordance to this, given that the police is an instrument of the state.
We’ve had police raids on queer events and censorship of gay couples on TV in recent times (as recent as 2023).
More elaboration on China’s state-sponsored censorship of queer populations in media from equaldex:
As I already explained, China is not a monolith. You can look at any western country and find similar state repression at the local level, which is even more varied in China due to having 1.4 billion people. You are looking at it one-dimensionally, which is the problem I was getting at earlier.
You say I’m looking at it one-dimensionally, but you always dismiss or shrug off any negatives that may come about w.r.t. China, or frame it as being positively worked on, when you don’t do the same for other countries. If I mentioned a different country in such a context you would have called it deflection.
A monolithic representation of the positive is still a monolith.
I don’t present China as universally positive, I have drawn a clear line between socialist countries that are generally working towards a better society, imperialist countries that have been declining and are a net drain on the world, and non-socialist countries in the periphery that ultimately are progressing, albeit not necessarily as much as they could be if they were socialist.
There’s also the fact that we aren’t at all on the same page when it comes to dialectical materialism as being the start point for any genuine analysis, and as such I tend to reject framing that involves metaphysics.
You say you don’t, but you exclusively discuss positivity or progress w.r.t. China and socialist countries. When anything negative is reframed out of the equation, the resulting assessment necessarily becomes unilaterally positive.
Imperialist countries being a drain on the world isn’t something I’m arguing against, although we do not share a common understanding of imperialism.
It’s true that I don’t believe analysis must be through the diamat outlook for it to be rational, though framing away negatives as metaphysical or any other framing that makes them to be other than what they are (i.e. negatives) isn’t something that I find compelling.
I’ve said a number of things are problems, such as the urban/rural development gap. This is a problem to be solved, and thankfully it’s one being actively worked upon. How is this not a “negative” in your view? You keep trying to look at things as a laundry list of pros and cons, and try to put things into neat categories, but that’s not how the world works.