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That’s because this news site is owned by a multinational company, which owns several other publications. They sell advertising and not reform
No they didn’t.
Later, a person familiar with the matter told Bloomberg the Federal Aviation Administration had brought on Palantir, Thales SA, and Air Space Intelligence to compete for the SMART contract. Palantir then released a statement to investors confirming the company was contracted by the FAA to “provide a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.”
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Where do you get the impression they’ve won the contract? They have another sole source contract with the FAA, but for SMART are still one of three in the running unless there is some source out there I’m missing.
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Those are two separate things, though I can see the confusion. This might help: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/palantir-faa-win-manifesto-reframe-200302412.html
Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing this up and for the link.
Oh man! Pilot here.
And we thought Reagan fucked up!
It’s still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.
Hi. I dont know shit about flying or the demands of personnel in a control tower (especially at a place like atl). I’m also fairly anti-AI for various reasons. But it seems to me, from ground level and with a view of the trees, that AI would be better at juggling all of the data and variables of planes in the sky, compared to a moron like me. Given that you’re a pilot, can you help me understand why that’s not the case?
There’s an IMMENSE amount of human interaction in air traffic control. The thing AI is the absolute worst at.
The only real way it could work is if everything was turned over to computers. And we’re not there yet.
AI doesn’t juggle data and variables very well, add the fact you have been lied to about what AI does to your list of reasons.
Yeah I could imagine well made traffic management software could be a real positive. But we all know AI shits the bed sometimes, it should always be overseen by human controllers.
What could possibly go wrong?? 🤦🏻♀️
Lord I’m never flying again now.
Self-driving cars, buses, trains. Robots on the sidewalks. Guess I’m just staying inside forever.
None of them is controlled by chat bots.
BTW: robots on sidewalks are remotely controlled by people.
Wait until this guy gets wind of his smarttv, copilot on windows, and even his thermostat and refridgerator are all plotting against him.
Or we could hire more air traffic controllers and upgrading their systems from 1970.
Perhaps one could even build a second FAA, to create more opportunities for training for civilian ATCs… but that would make Oklahoma very sad.
There’s 10 or so Universities that can now train controllers that the FAA will directly hire from. It’s slow but Oklahoma is no longer the only course for controllers.
That’s crazy talk!
What if this is the upgrade?
If the AI was to be trained on explicitly and only information relevant to air traffic control it would likely have very deep knowledge - there’s not mountains of misinformation and people’s personal musings about air traffic control. And as long as a session is refreshed often enough it should never start mentally degrading.
AI is unethical for a lot of reasons and I think we are rushing into this and I don’t trust the people doing it and I hate this time line, but in another time line where sane and smart people are in charge and AI had strict guard rails and security measures an AI could absolutely do the bulk of this job. I’d still want humans around incase of emergencies or to help a pilot who’s in need of information, but the logistics of the job? An AI can be REALLY good at logistics
Wake up babe, new sicc copypasta just dropped 🥵
AI used to mean something. We also used the term “machine learning” to be humble that it isn’t perfect.
Now we are calling a chat bot an AI.
So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?
Biden
Hillary with her butterymales?
Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479
And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.
Liberals.
If it’s the ATC then it’s their fault, if it’s AI then it’s no one’s.
Obviously it’s the DEI
The remaining humans in ATC for “not having supervised the AI agents appropriately”, of course!
Ya know…when I watched 9/11 happen live on tv, it never once crossed my mind that the next time this happened it would be because people are going to become too stupid to fly planes themselves.
It used to be such an esteemed profession too.
Well, that was before Reagan.
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Sarcasm:
But think of the insurance people! Look at how many insurances are waiting to be denied and robbed!
More importantly, we can justify every other profit increase, because our economies are built on literal exploitation just as they did a couple hundred years prior!
Modern exploiting problems require modern idol solutions.
Sadly there is part of the population that will view that as a valid argument. Faux News, news max, OAN and all the conservative talk radio will feed it to them
Even further: the biggest problem with AI and thus the biggest decider on its suitability or not for something is that its distribution of failure in terms of consequence is uniform rather than it being more likely to err in ways with few or less grevious consequences than in ways with more or worse consequences.
In other words, unlike humans who activelly try and avoid making the nastiest and deadly mistakes, when AI fails, it can fail just as easilly in the most horrible and deadly ways as it can in the most minor of ways.
That’s why you have lots of instances of LLMs giving what for humans are obviously dangerous advice like telling people to put glue on pizza to make it look good or those with suicidal thoughts to kill themselves - unlike humans AI has no mechanism to detect “obviously dangerous” on an output it’s about to produce and generate a different output instead.
This is why using AI to generate fluff filling for e-mails is fine but it’s not fine in systems were errors can easilly cost lives.
People just straight up believe AI is magic.
National Geographic producers are rubbing their hands knowing that future seasons of Air Crash Investigations are secure.
Welp, I’m fine continuing to never get on a plane post PATRIOT ACT.
All American Roadtrips forever, apparently.
Invest in rail
Hahahah, in this economy?
I mean, I agree with the big picture ides, but look at California.
Been trying to do highspeed rail for over a decade, has accomplished almost nothing.
We’d have to revamp soooo many parts of so many systems, to even maybe be able to do anything in a reasonable amount of time.
Oh also we don’t know how to build anything, anymore.
We’ll basically have to hope we get a second FDR, but that doesn’t seem very likely… more likely we balkanize, frankly.
Maybe this will finally bring back a solid rail and bus transit infrastructure again.
Wow. Just wow. This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. So, how will the AI cope with a pilot not following instructions and/or confused by the instructions? Or better yet, how about weather events? It looks like self-driving cars, but with airplanes. If done even slightly incorrectly, it will be disastrous, but if it is not a real-time tool and has a human that actually checks its recommendations and acts accordingly, then it might be okay. Either way, I will be avoiding flying once this rolls out. WOW.
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Why does this need an AI?
I mean it feels like this is one of things that would benefit with automation, but because it is very hard problem we still use people do it.
The problem I’m having is the TV show host that is now running transportation thinks fucking chat bots have what it takes.
After the first few avoidable crashes, entire countries will refuse to fly to America.
I tried to use AI to install a reverse osmosis water system yesterday, I asked it to look at manual for hose colors to match them, I figured it would save me a few mins.
After an hour of it not working and trying all sorts of nonsense I looked in manual to have it show me it had given me all the wrong information to a simple task.
I can’t wait to have people’s lives reliant on this technology.
AI is a pretty big catch-all term. If they mean specially designed and trained deep learning neural nets, maaaaybe it’ll be okay. If they mean typical LLMs we’re straight up fucked.
Exactly. With a broad enough term those computerized screens showing the position of all the planes is “AI”.
I watch an art restorer out of Chicago on youtube, and he’s developing his own AI to help restorers. He says it’s a closed system. Is that something that could work? I’ve been wondering about that since he announced. (Baumgartner, if you’re interested).
I just saw an ad for using ChatGPT to “come up with new recipes and baking ideas”
Yeah I’m sure having a bunch of people decide to eat whatever a hallucinating AI comes up with isn’t going to be dangerous at all…
I’ll look it up and try to find it. But I’m pretty sure there’s a YouTube video where they actually did ask Chat GPT to come up with new recipes and baking ideas and then they tried to make them to the results you would expect.
Edit: ok, so it looks like there are a whole lot of YouTubers making AI recipes to the expected results. So Google away.
