Right now French and English are the official languages of Canada. There are the English parts (the majority of the country) and the French parts (the biggest being Quebec). But it seems to me that the French-speaking parts punch well above their weight culturally. Because their language insulates them from the strong US cultural influence, giving them space to develop their own unique cultural identity and not have to compete with US media. So it would be a big cultural upgrade if all of Canada spoke French. Plus the French language is cool. Wouldn’t it just be cooler if we all spoke French more?

Q: But how would that work?

A: Good question. Well French immersion is already really common (when English-speaking families sent their kids to French-speaking school). What we need to do is make all schools French immersion, and once we have a generation fluent in French we can begin the process of slowly purging the English language from any sort of government institution. Overtime people will be speaking French so much that it will seep into their private lives and they’ll just speak French at home.

Q: But wouldn’t a policy like this be massively unpopular and cause widespread backlash?

A: Absolutely it would that’s why it’s an unpopular opinion. But in an ideal world, we would do it. 🇨🇦🇫🇷

If anyone wanted to phase out English in favour of some indigenous languages I would be in favour if that too.

Edit for spelling

Another edit: why are you guys downvoting this for disagreeing, you’re supposed to disagree thats the point of this sub

  • owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca
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    Nice try, Quebec.

    To be fair, I’m in favor of making all schools French immersion. I wish I had that option growing up, being bilingual is great for multiple reasons. But “purging” English is an objectively bad idea.

    “Hey, you know that language that is one of the most commonly spoken internationally? Yeah, it’s one of the languages that allows people to communicate among many of the most influential countries in the world and opens up a ton of job opportunities? Yeah, that one. Fuck that language, let’s cripple future generations by intentionally removing it from our culture, and lose a huge portion of our culture with it.”

    So yeah, take my upvote.

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      “Hey, you know that language that is one of the most commonly spoken internationally?

      French is projected to be the most common language internationally by the end of the century, due to population growth in Africa and the stagnation of population growth basically everywhere else. If Africa’s economic development goes well that might also translate to more job opportunities, but that’s a lot harder to predict.

      • owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca
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        If French becomes the dominant international language, then Canadians will naturally want to learn it. That still doesn’t justify removing English, especially considering that it’s still one of the dominant languages right now.

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          yeah lmao, if any other language is going to take over it’d be mandarin. China is so hilariously industrially dominant and i’d wager the only reason they haven’t tried to actually culturally take over is because the government doesn’t see a need to.

          If they wanted they could probably have most of the internet understanding basic characters within a decade…

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          But the population of China will start to decrease soon if it isn’t already, whereas the population of Africa is booming and will continue to boom for quite some time. And Mandarin is pretty localized to China, without much currency outside the country. In contrast French is an international language used around the world

          Edit: or maybe I’m misreading your comment and that was already your point

          • You don’t need a lot of population, if you do the imperialism game correctly, you can spread your influence very far and wide.

            Lets ignore the language part and just talk about the American Media… it’s influence is spread all over the world. And the US military… it’s so dominant that it’s one of the most powerful militaries in the world, if not the most powerful one… and has bases all over the world… being able to invade any small nation as it wishes to… US population isn’t even a lot lol.

            (Not that I support imperialism, just sayin’)

            I don’t think France can really even do any imperialism these days…

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              US population isn’t even a lot lol.

              It is the third most populous country in the world, iirc, but I take your point

              I don’t think France can really even do any imperialism these days…

              France can’t. But the French Canadians? There might be untapped potential there

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        The problem is that canadians largely don’t want to communicate with africans (not as in “they’re racist,” just as in they have no burning need to) and if they did, a large swathe of africa speaks english anyway

        Canadians like talking to americans and british people. Who speak the Shakespeare tongue.

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          Well, we’ll see. China’s economy developed rapidly. It’s not out of the question that the same process could take place in some parts of Africa. Then there’d be a strong economic incentive to learn French.

  • Whitebrow@lemmy.world
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    Decalisse outta here with that bullshit lol

    The french language is a mess even on a good day, and should you try to speak it in France they just look at you like you’ve insulted their entire culture before switching to English.

    Upvoted.

    • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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      Isn’t that the whole point of speaking French within earshot of our frog-feasting friends? Bawnjoor, mayer-see mawnamee. Voolay voo un tranch duh fro-maj Americain?

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    This could be implemented quicker than you’d think. But it wouldn’t work.

    “Official language” just means all government business and labelling must be in that/those language(s). There would still be English spoken everywhere, just as there are stores, services, and transactions done using other languages already.

    But precisely because of that, all this would do it serve to erect a barrier around accessing government services in English. It would still be used and consumed, so there would still be uptake of American culture. Thus, it would fail to be the isolation path proposed.

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      It would have to be implemented slowly, and start with the school system, to prevent this kind of thing. There have been successful language elimination campaigns before, even in our own country. Usually it’s done to promote English, and it’s done as an act of cultural genocide, but still. It’s possible.

      Like I said in the post I’d also be in favour of reintroducing some Indigenous languages if that means stamping out English. If we are going to carry out a language elimination campaign it might be more fair that way. A reverse uno of sorts.

      • Smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works
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        I wonder if eliminating English would even be legal. Because our head of state is technically King Charles, there may be some stipulation of keeping English in there.

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          Might be tricky but King Charles seems like a polite fella who doesn’t want any trouble so I don’t think he’d make a big fuss about it if we changed the laws around

  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca
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    Interesting to note is a lot of Francophones I’ve spoken to in the public service wouldn’t get “exempt” status on their French profile if they had to take the test.

  • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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    English is the lingua franca (no, the irony is not lost on me…) of international commerce. If you remove English education from your populace then you are cutting them off from the rest of the world, economically. The only people who then will be able to comfortably buy and sell things overseas would be people who already have the spare time and money to learn a new language.

    Unless you plan to get the entire rest of the world speaking primarily French as an economic vehicle as well, this is just shooting yourself in the foot. I think that ship has probably sailed already.

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    actuary ,you have a point. As an Australian i thank we should change our language to French as well

    • a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.cadeleted by creatorOP
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      Now that’s the spirit. Thank you. After so many negative comments, reading this was like drinking a nice cold glass of water. I am 100% in favour of francophone Aussies

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    I’m a Canadian, schooled in Saskatchewan. Took three years of mandatory middle-school french and learnt almost nothing. I’d like to be able to speak French but the best I can do is tell you how to take the “l’autobus” to the “discotheque”. And the repetitive phrases “je suis, tu es, il est, elle est, nous sommes, vous ette” (that’s probably not even close…it was the 70’s). I think the best way is immersion training and a whole system devoted to sending kids back and forth to and from Quebec for language teaching and great world experience.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    For heavens sake, no. Better turn the Canadian flag into one that shows eleven beavers pissing on a frog.