- How come Elon hasn’t been sued into bankruptcy over these deaths?
- How is FSD not outright criminal fraud?
- How is not having accessible door handles in a fire allowed, legal, and not the source of massive lawsuits?
- How is FSD allowed when it’s objectively one of the least safe driving modes around?
Fuck, this is like a fractal of liability that somehow they never get in trouble for. Everywhere you look it gets worse.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
- He’s disgustingly rich.
They have been sued, but it doesn’t matter, because that’s just the cost of doing business. (If the punishment for a crime is a fine, it’s only illegal for poor people to do it.)
The dude owns a platform that actively generates nude photos of real people on the platform. Then proceeded to put the child porn generating feature behind a paywall when shamed publicly.
At what point will people realize that laws do not apply to the capitalist (Epstein) class. Shame is literally the only (non violent) weapon we have left and they are actively working to stop that as well.
The only way they will see non vigilante justice is at the hands of a revolution.
…I honestly don’t think rich people feel incredible shame by being referred to as the Epstein class. They don’t care.
They still do to an extent but as their power and influence gains they are able to take more of the mask off. But that mask is only coming off for people like you and me. Its an inverse relationship to that of the uninformed or distracted masses. They are, in reality, better able to control what is seen and not seen by the masses too impoverished or overworked to see past the mask they have built.
They DO care what people think because that gives them power and control. They just only care to the extent that that power and control is maintained.
If they didn’t care what people thought they wouldn’t spend billions to buy platforms like Twitter or to further consolidate the media we consume into what has essentially become a fascist state media of two different flavors.
Don’t think that because they are convincing the public that pedophiles and war criminals are not actually pedophiles and war criminals that they “don’t care what you think”. They do. They just have enough power and influence to make the public misinformed or (for you and me) informed but in a state of hopelessness.
Their power comes from keeping the public misinformed, distracted, or feeling hopeless. They care what you think because what you think keeps you in one of those inactive states.
Parenti is someone to read or listen to on this subject of ruling class control.
The ONLY thing they care about you is what you are thinking
How come Elon hasn’t been sued into bankruptcy over these deaths?
Class Action Lawsuits: A major class-action lawsuit was certified in August 2025 by a California judge, representing Tesla owners who claim they were misled by marketing regarding the autonomous capabilities of FSD, with plaintiffs seeking refunds for purchased software.
Active Crash Litigation: Litigation is ongoing in at least eight cases involving the use of Tesla Autopilot/FSD during a fatal or serious crash, according to reports as of March 2024. This includes lawsuits alleging the system fails to detect objects, such as a case in Washington state involving a motorcyclist.
$243 Million Damages Verdict: In February 2026, a federal court upheld a verdict ordering Tesla to pay $243 million in damages regarding a fatal 2025 crash involving Autopilot, marking a significant legal loss for the company.
NHTSA Probes & Recalls: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is investigating over 2.9 million Tesla vehicles regarding FSD’s ability to follow traffic laws (including running red lights). In early 2026, this shifted to a “recall query” to verify the effectiveness of a previous software update aimed at fixing the issues.
Criminal Investigation: Reports in 2024 indicated that Tesla is under federal criminal investigation over claims that the company misled consumers and investors about its autonomous driving features.
Tesla would have been shut down if idiots didn’t elect a corrupt President literally selling Teslas on the White House Lawn.
Also:
- How is it that the company that makes this shit has a price-to-earnings ratio of 326 and a market cap of $1.3 trillion. Meanwhile Toyota makes good dependable cars and has a P/E ratio of 11.41 and a market cap of $266 billion, even though Toyota sells 10x as many cars.
Because STONKS.
- They haven’t been found to be at fault for enough crashes to cost more than their profits
- It seems to work well for most people
- They have mechanical door releases, they are detailed in the owner’s manual
- It seems to have fewer fatal accidents than human drivers, try not to mistake highly reported collisions for high rate collisions
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You don’t hear about it? I constantly hear about people dying in Teslas. And the car is a joke for years now, it can’t become a joke any harder.
You hear about them because every fatal crash is reported, every fire is reported. You don’t hear about the same things for other brands. A kid killed himself near my place driving his father’s V8 car, it didn’t even make the local news because teenage boys killing themselves in cars by driving recklessly is hardly rare.
I’m aware. Teslas are probably safer than the average old car you have on the roads. But you hear about them a lot more.
The 1937 New London School gas explosion killed 295 students and teachers.
Because, for some reason, people actually like teslas?
Run into a tree in any other car, and the airbags will likely save you, and then you just open the door and get out. No flames, no locked doors you can’t open. To me, it looks like Teslas are more dangerous for the passengers in common accidents, regardless of how they happen.
I do wonder who is still buying these things today, because people still are, in spite of sales being down sales aren’t zero, which they should be. There are much better options.
Doors often jam when deformed from a serious crash in any car. Often emergency workers have to cut the car to get to people. Any EV has a battery fire issue. But it’s not like gasoline fires are so great either tho.
The car has mechanical door handles in the front that at are so obvious people try to use them instead of the electrical ones.
The getting out isn’t the problem. If they were conscious after the crash, at least in the front, it would have been easy to get out unless the door was jammed which can happen after the crash.
The problem is people on the outside that cant potentially open it when its not jammed and the occupant is unconscious, or the backseat where its not obvious how to use the mechanical latch.
Edit: so in this crash it sounds like the driver was probably unconscious, or the door was jammed, both of which cause a deadly situation like this as outside rescues are much harder due to electronic locks.
Edit: and EVs catch on fire less than gas cars, this isnt an EV fire problem.
That would be one of the things to establish in court: could they have survived? Despite occasional outrage headlines, the battery pack is hard to damage. It usually takes a very severe crash.
Aside from the horrible fate, it’s not much different from any other car. When running into a tree, airbags protect you to a point. But there is no technology that can protect you from a severe enough crash. Was it severe enough? Could their fate have been different? Those are the most important questions
Huh, I guess if I let go of the steering wheel in my car, it’s also going to self-drive into a tree, or wall, or car, even without all the fancy marketing by it’s maker of self-driving capabilities
At the same time, the vehicle’s electric-powered door handles became inoperable once the battery system caught fire, preventing the two from getting out or rescuers getting in – a serious issue that has similarly doomed others riding in Teslas – Shantorria Herring’s complaint alleges.
Terrible engineering. And it cost these two their lives, as well as others.
But those flush handles are so pretty…
From the user manual: it is so easy, in case of a fire, just calmly remove all your stuff from the door pocket, then use nails to remove the rubbery mat on the bottom of that, then take out a plastic cover, there’s a cable, pull that cable. So easy and totally intuitive when someone is panicking after an accident! /s
Ps: I wonder what the user manual means with that “if equipped” part. Some models don’t actually have the emergency unlock under the mat?
Sounds like your typical safe lawyer talk, this way when you’re about to burn to death and the cable ain’t there because they forgot it/cheaped out/decided to stop including them to save costs, you can’t complain!
I guffawed at the “in the unlikely situation your model Y doesn’t have power”. Like in a car wreck when you need to escape?! The most likely cause for total battery failure just happens to overlap with the most likely time you will be on fire, trying to find your way out of this thing.
We wouldn’t want safety to ruin the AESTHETIC, would we?
IMO if a door has an electronic lock and normally opens with a button (which is dumb), the backup system has to be something you can use if you’re on fire and have a concussion after a crash.
Apparently Audis have an electric lock but still use a regular latch instead of a button. In an emergency you can open the door by just pulling harder on that door release latch. In a Fisker you can do it by pulling on the handle twice. In a Ford Mustang if you yank hard on the door handle it acts as a release. These are all things I can see someone doing in an emergency without thinking.
O! Thank you for this picture.
I was in somebody’s Y (I think? I don’t know teslas) a few weeks ago in the front seat and I pulled the mechanical door release across multiple different stops around town before he told me I was supposed to push the electronic “open door” button.
That spurred me to think “wait, if I pulled the mech release by default and it’s pretty obvious/intuitive, what’s all the hubbub about getting trapped in a car because the manual door releases are so difficult?”
I didn’t realize it was about the rear door handles rather than the front until right now. Granted, the front manual door handle is fairly different than “most” cars but I still found it pretty obvious… more obvious than the need to push a stupid little button to open a door.
People that havent been in one actually still make a fuss about the front ones because they don’t know its there. People who own one do though, as you’ve demonstrated how easy it is.
The real fuss should be about the back ones though, and how if youre unconscious people on the outside have no mechanical way.
I suspect the driver after this high speed crash was either unconscious, or the door was jammed, otherwise i think he would have gotten himself out.
Earlier models had no emergency latch for the back seat, and only the front seats have (and always have) super obvious manual handles.
These two were dead as soon as they hit the tree.
While I understand the outrage, this is misleading……
- yes the rear door emergency releases suck
- but there were two people in the car so most likely in the front. The front emergency releases are very different, depending on model year. Recent years are very accessible
What’s important for this crash are the front door emergency releases and lack of an outside emergency release. The front door releases are probably fine, depending on model year, but if the crash is bad enough to damage the battery pack, they weren’t getting out under their own power. We also don’t know whether the outside help would have been in time but we do know the electronic latch failed by that point so there was no way to open the door from the outside
My theory? Musk remotely grabbing the wheel while on a bad ketamine trip
“Why were they arrested for cras- sudden realization Oooh, oh no…”
Whoever came up with the idea of electronic, non-mechanical door handles needs to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. So many people have been stuck in burning or sinking vehicles due to this horrifically blatant design flaw of requiring power to get out of the goddamn vehicle.
Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors
It’s in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket
People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things
Other things tesla fails to tell their customers, aside from in the owner’s manual, include that pressing and holding the park button activates emergency braking
The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked
Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors
It’s in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket
Having a mechanical backup hidden away in an awkward place isnt the solution, You cant expect someone who is actively being burned alive to stop, rub their chin, and go “Ah, right, the hidden mechanism that I have to excavate to access”.
Just use a fucking normal door latch. Something you can grab in a panic and actually get out of the fucking vehicle before you end up the main course at a luau.
People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things
Its not innovative. Its stupid, idiotic, and dangerous. You shouldnt have to know how to bypass them, because your door should just fuckin work, regardless if theres power or not.
The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked
Which most are, considering most people lock their doors, and hell most modern cars automatically lock them when its put in drive.
This could kind of be a Darwin award. . ?
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Is this considered Darwin award material? At least the dad paid for and chose this. The son was more a bystander.
No, being deceived by carefully planned propaganda is not Darwin Award material. Very few people actually know the dangers of the vehicle they drive.
Idk if I believe that anymore. News like this has been popping up for years now.
This isn’t new information though. It’s been happening for years
I wouldn’t buy one of these things under any circumstances for many, many reasons, safety being one of them. I will not, however, participate in victim blaming. Especially when two human lives were lost in such a horrific way due to the arrogance of whoever decided sleek futuristic looks are more important than the safety of their customers.
Yes. Karmic as well. Patron shitty billionaires, burn to death in their shitty cars.
If you don’t know how dangerous lithium ion batteries are when punctured you are kind of a smooth brained fucking moron.
Hey they won the Darwin award. Don’t buy a death trap sold as a car
I feel for the family’s loss: that’s a horrible way to go
…. But the article has a lot of inconsistencies that cast doubt
they’re in the uk and most of the article blames self-driving but that is not supported in the uk.- it gets to the end before switching to talking about autopilot, which is supported in the uk. Autopilot is adaptive cruise control plus lane keeping. I never understood how people seem to think this means self-driving: it is exactly analogous to autopilot in aircraft. Those have a range of functionality but are always under pilot command. I used to fly a small plane with single axis autopilot which basically just kept heading, much less capable than what you’d find on military or commercial aircraft, but there was never any confusion about capability
- the article blames the emergency door release complexity which is true, but the description of hidden cable release depends on model year and which seat you’re in: they get partial credit for improving this over time. My 2023 model y front seats are very accessible
- importantly the flush-mount door handles are not an adequate description of the problem. Firstly, the self presenting handles were only on the high end models: these are mechanically presenting so don’t fail that way. The root cause to focus on is the electronic latch. If your only option is an electronic latch and that fails in the crash, it doesn’t really matter what the handle/button is
- fwiw the entire industry is aware of the possibility of current batteries igniting when sufficiently damaged and, including Tesla, has taken measures to prevent it. But there’s only so much you can do. The question is not whether current battery technology poses that risk: it does. The questions are whether that’s an outsized risk relative to other car technologies and whether Tesla could have done more. There have been several announcements of safer batteries but I don’t think they are available yet.
Edit: UK reporting but the accident was in the US where FSD is supported
Almost every one of these accidents are later proven to be the fault of the driver and autopilot NOT being engaged. Anyone who has actually experienced Tesla autopilot, including myself, will tell you it’s actually very good. In fact my Tesla autopilot has saved me from multiple accidents on the highway.
Lol shut the fuck up clown
