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Cause education is not equal to intelligence.
Work at a university; try telling that to the academics. Some of them are phenomenally simple. They may be convinced of intellectual superiority because they’re a world expert in frog genders, but they struggle to solve simple problems or absorb reasoning without having it dumbed down.
A university is like a daycare for those adults. And the trantrums and toy throwing they have with each other, oh my god. Daily I wonder how some of these people would survive if they ever had to leave school.
Reminds me of a joke from Ghostbusters, when Ray and Peter are kicked out of the university:
“You don’t know what it’s like in the private sector. They expect results!”
This is the real answer. Most people conflate the two.
To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.
-Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Simpler & clearer:
Intelligence is solving-the-problem-efficiently/quickly…
Wisdom is realizing we’d been solving the wrong problem, & working-out what the right-problem is…
Wisdom’s meta-intelligence.
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People keep saying that, but it’s bullshit. In many countries outside the US, people can only do a degree if they’ve proven that they’re intelligent.
But intelligent people can be really stupid too.
i’m a mechanical engineer. i know something about electricity and physics. i also have a degree in international trade.
until 2 yrs ago i didn’t know how eggs get fertilized and yesterday my wife had to show me how to remove olive pits while preparing ouur cooking.
by all accounts i’m a dumbass with 2 degrees in specific fields that i don’t encounter in day-to-day life. i have no idea how to survive in this world. i am sure others feel the same.
Marcin Jakubowski talks about this in his TED talk; theoretical physicist realizes he cannot DO anything, becomes farmer, founds open source ecology.
This is the best answer.
Marcin Jakubowski talks about this in his TED talk; theoretical physicist realizes he cannot DO anything, becomes farmer, founds open source ecology.
Intelligence and Wisdom are two separate stats.
Knowledge is not intelligence.
The difference is the conclusions drawn from the knowledge obtained. Dumb people can survey knowledge and come to wrong conclusions, it happens all the time.
Education isn’t just learning knowledge, it’s also skills and thinking. But it is usually restricted to a limited domain…
C’s get degrees.
education doesn’t fix stupidity Education can however help with ignorance.
I heard that after the Vietnam war with most the protesters being college students they made an effort to remove lessons that teach critical thinking and problem solving to make people more compliant and less likely to do that again.
So current education is more about regurgitating information unless you go for your doctorate I would think. Dont know in that one, just a guess.
This is conspiracy nutjob thinking.
The federal government does not control university curricula. It doesn’t control what professors teach or how they teach it. Professors often have tenure, and can barely be fired by their own university for being subversive.
I thought education was standardized across all levels, didnt know universities had the leeway to do whatever with that curriculum. Thats interesting.
Certainly not. At least not in the US. Afaik, what is taught in public schools is defined by various levels of government. For example, the federal government sets standards for levels kids should achieve in reading at various ages, and mandates testing for this. The states define what should be taught in history classes in broad strokes (should be taught US history, world history, etc) but typically don’t get into the details (you must teach the battle of Gettysburg). Then school boards, or sometimes the schools themselves, choose textbooks to teach the topics. The textbooks are written by private publishers - information from one book to another will be largely the same, since it is mostly well established facts, but emphasis might change between books as much as the authors want. For classes like English, teachers can typically assign whatever books they want - though for classes with standardized tests (like AP classes), teachers must stick to a (fairly large) list of approved books so that test graders will be familiar with them when evaluating essays.
At the university level, the government typically has even less influence. Really, anyone can claim to be a university - hence Devry and Pheonix. But if you want to be a university anyone gives a shit about, you need to be accredited as a university, and accreditation happens via a non-government organization which exists to maintain the standards of university education. Core classes at the undergraduate level tend to be fairly standardized - not by any central planning, but simply because the knowledge is fairly standardized in any given field and universities often must transfer credits for students from other universities. Professors - especially tenured professors - can teach more or less whatever they want in their classes, but class curricula are typically set by department committies to ensure continuity in students’ education. And professors typically stick to the curriculum that has been set, since (1) it is probably a decent definition of what the students need to learn, (2) they don’t want to catch flack from their collegues next semester when the students dont know something they should, and (3) cranking through the syllabus is faster and easier than being subversive, and they have grants they need to write.
That makes sense. This is a very thorough explanation, thank you very much for taking time to explain that, I appreciate it. Always up to learn something new! :)
Np!
My mom worked as a university professor, then advisor, and what she said about college was “it just shows a prospective employer that you can follow rules and commit to doing something for a few years and follow through on it. That’s why they want the degree. Also cuts down on applicants, fewer to sort through.”
So, from someone on the inside, she didn’t think the main reason was education, in terms of specific jobs. I know in accounting I don’t use so much of what I learned and that’s a pretty specific degree. Anyone with a mind for numbers & systems could be trained on the job to do what I do.
I’ve used the advanced systems analysis math I learned in university as an actual calculation in my job precisely zero times.
I roughly think about how those models apply to situations and how that will effect the various likely outcomes and behaviours etc on a literal daily basis.
University isnt just about training you to do a job.
Education has no bearing on intellect. Or appropriate life experience.
Also, when people say someone is stupid, crazy, etc, it’s because they don’t understand that person’s perspective.
Intelligence and wisdom are separate things.
E.g. you are intelligent enough to know smoking is bad for you, but lack the wisdom to stop smoking.
Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, and wisdom is knowing to not put it in a fruit salad.
When you say, “fucking stupid” is “stupidity” actually the problem? Like what, they can’t do math?
Raw brainpower is only a fraction of what’s involved in good judgement. Book knowledge is another fraction. But there’s a whole host of other factors that can influence decisions. Poor impulse control, psychological hangups, bad habits, greed, privilege, etc. That’s assuming that the education they received actually taught them how to think critically in the first place.
The vast majority of the time, when I have a problem with someone, it’s not just a matter of lacking brainpower or education. Condensing those problems down to “stupid” is, aside from any other concerns, simply inaccurate.
Username/pfp checks out.
also different standards.
one person’s clean is another’s dirty. etc.
It’s worth noting that college degrees are often not hard to get, assuming you have ample finances. Colleges are businesses, and they care more about cashflow than education.
I have a bachelor of science in electrical engineering. Of my graduating class, probably only about a quarter of us actually understood anything. And now working in the industry, it seems like that’s a pretty reasonable average for other institutions in my field (there are exceptions, a few colleges have higher standards).
I mean, to be fair, electrical engineering is one of the most notoriously difficult to grasp disciplines.
People don’t generally have a great intuitive sense for how pulsed electromagnet waves propagate through 3d space and time.
There are some aspects of the discipline that are hard to grasp–in my experience, it was differential equations and advanced control systems. But those are a pretty small part of the curriculum. The number of people who graduated without demonstrating even basic understanding of rudimentary concepts is alarming, but it explains a large amount of the shitty engineering that exists in the world.
I don’t think they’re acting.
Certification is given to anyone with the money for it
There’s no major correlation between IQ and wealth
